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The Paralyzed State of Astral Research (Read 9261 times)
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Reply #15 - May 18th, 2011 at 9:10am
 
I`d love to see some hard proof, however I agree that in this context it is extremely unlikely for the reasons mentioned by the others that we will soon get any.

Also, please keep in mind that many scientists are positively scared to deviate from the mainstream opinion.
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Reply #16 - May 18th, 2011 at 9:42am
 
chrwe wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 9:10am:
I`d love to see some hard proof, however I agree that in this context it is extremely unlikely for the reasons mentioned by the others that we will soon get any.

Also, please keep in mind that many scientists are positively scared to deviate from the mainstream opinion.


...and I just got a strong message from guidance "don't worry about it...live your life now...you already know all this and it will be clear later, but you won't want to miss what is going on all around you!"  Then a mocking bird started speaking to me just out my window on a palm tree...he went through a series of four or five varied calls trying to find one I might understand!

I think I'll go outside...70 degrees and not a cloud in the blue sky...and love to all.
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Reply #17 - May 19th, 2011 at 4:25am
 
Hi Berserk

Does remote viewing come under the 'astral research' umbrella or do you consider that a separate issue ?
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Reply #18 - May 19th, 2011 at 5:20pm
 
DocM: Have you looked at Kurt Leland book "Unanswered Question" - That talks at length about the characteristics of NDE.
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Reply #19 - May 20th, 2011 at 6:48am
 
Berserk2 wrote on May 13th, 2011 at 4:52pm:
In any field of intellectual inquiry that involves research, the merits of theories must stand the test of time in at least 2 ways:
(1) The claims of researchers must be independently replicated by researchers outside the vested interest groups who made the original claims.
(2) The theories must continually prove their heuristic value as new light is continually shed on the key questions and verifiable knowledge continually expands.

In both respects, astral research has failed miserably.  (a) The expected unmistakable levels of verification have not been produced.  The impressive details provided by Spiricom (e.g the .social security number of the deceased engineer) have been called into question by doubts about the integrity of the data.  Nor has Spiricom ben replicated by neutral researchers.  Deceased engineer, Ed Carter, has not fulfilled his promise to help Bruce develop an afterlife communication device.  To date, no such device has been produced and we are left with the vagaries of EVPs.

In Charles Tart's OBE research, Miss Z's astral reading of a 5-digit number posted near the ceiling, while she was strapped down have not been replicated by Miss Z or any other OBE subject.  This is significant because the possibility of Miss Z cheating was demonstrated.  Astral visits to the Hall of Knowledge in Focus 27 should have produced astounding breakthroughs in knowledge, but have instead only produced reinforcement of dubious standard New Age beliefs.  Claims of access to the Akashic records have similarly not been backed up with the expected verifications. 

Indeed, the simplest imaginable expected verifications  cannot be reproduced: e. g. Astral explorer A visits discarnate soul S and asks for a piece of highly specific information about the afterlife.  Then Astral explorer B agrees to visit S and inquire about the detail communicated to A.  And so on.  The fact that such a rudimentary advancement in astral knowledge cannot be achieved warrants skepticism on the part of the honest inquirer.  Apparently, what starts with the imagination almost never transcends the imagination and achieves contacts with invisible worlds shared by discarnate beings. 

Emanuel Swedenborg is the shining exception to this appalling lack of quality verifications, but he lived in the 18th century and his insights need to be replicated by modern adepts.  As long as clashing belief systems muddy the waters of astral research, the jury must remain out on the question of genuine contact with the deceased.  NDEs can be more impressive, but are generally too brief to expand our field of astral knowledge.  No one would be more delighted than I if these problems could be remedied and afterlife research could at least be a fruitful discipline of ever expanding knowledge.

Don



Hi Don,

With respect what about my validated and successful efforts in remote viewing of members of this very forum done some time ago (They were very accurate to say the least)?

Alan
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Reply #20 - Jun 11th, 2011 at 10:00pm
 
Late to the discussion here. I like Justin's answer the best. We're not ready yet. All we can do these days is write down our observations now and hope generations from now if we haven't destroyed ourselves they'll uncover our texts and see how ahead of our time we were Smiley
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Reply #21 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 7:21pm
 
I think that the afterlife is real.I get smells of perfume in my apt from time.A woman from the bingo,asked me to try to find her husband,who died a week after he died.I said I would try.I went into the spirit that very night.I did not know him or even his name.I found him,and found him crying.I asked him why he was crying.He said he cheated on her,but he loved his more than the other woman.I met his wife 2 weeks after.I called her over and told her I had found her husband.I than asked her if he ever cheated on her.She said right up to the time he died.she said I never told anyone about it,not even my mother.George
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Reply #22 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 10:15pm
 
  Hey Mendel, good to see you around again.  Haven't seen you for quite awhile. 

Hope you are doing well.
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Reply #23 - Jun 13th, 2011 at 8:35am
 
Justin,
Thanks for the welcome. Life has become more busy over the years. But the spirit work still moves forward because I can do most of it while I'm asleep.
-mike
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