I really got a lot out of this Alan Watts book and its a very quick read.

http://www.leary.ru/download/watts/Book%20On%20The%20Taboo%20Against%20Knowing%2...

I was reading Eckhart Tolle before this and while I really liked a lot of what he wrote I came to a passage where at some point near the end of the second book  I read which was "A New Earth", he stated that if a phase he had written above didn't resonate with you then "you were not ready to seek enlightenment". I put the book down then but I got a lot of good stuff from it. I was, however, very enthralled with Watts' book straight through.

Some of you will not like it I'm sure but it makes a ton of sense to me and it is very well written and rather concise.

Hi Beau

I recently pulled out an old Alan Watts book that's been lying around and glanced at it. I appreciated what I read somuch more than I did in college. I'll have to look at the on-line book.

I did read the second piece, and it sort fo fit in, in parts with some things that had been running through my mind.

I had read the posts from your other thread that got so long (My Feelings ...), the ones at the end. I was doing some mundane lanual work when I started thinking about the ideas from a different perspective.

Seraphis and crossbow had posted some comments about the priest scandal that got me visualizing it from an overview perspective. crossbow wrote :

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and I started thinking of war in those terms, and I was sort fo seeing war as unfinished business. I was thinking epic, like "Star Wars." like "The Matrix." For instance, we are taught that the Civil War was about states rights and slavery, but what if from some larger perspective it was just a chapter in a bigger comflict that had been going on for eons and the issues were just an excuse to continue the war. General Patton (sorry, I skipped a couple of wars) I believe it was Patton who claimed to remember fighting/warring in different lifetimes.

The second link you provided leads to an article that seemed to be a continuation and expanding of my train of thought. Certain parts certainly reflected that state of mind.
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That combined well with something Bob Monroe said in one of the video sets (Wednesday with Bob) about trying to retrieve all your parts so you can get out of here....the disc, not the little parts that we are.

Looking at that kind of overview certainly changes one
s perspective. Trying to think of everything in terms of that sort of overview is challenging.

For instance, should I be glad they got Osama bin Laden? or will he just be on the great mandala and do it all again, maybe this time from "our" side? The part of a being that decides to reincarnate may not be in touch with the disc, even if it is focused on the other side.

I don't know where to go with this, but somehow none of the models of reality I know about really accounts for all this.

Hi Bardo,

Or is it possible that the chemical opens the doorway within the brain that is there anyway, but obscured by one's understanding of the physical. Could be either way I suppose. I don't really see the difference in a drug induced state vs a state where the DMT in the pineal gland is secreted naturally. The benefits of achieving one over the other might certainly be arguable, but the use of products natural or not have been used for many centuries to acquire such a state.

  Just a quick note regarding drugs.  From my experience some drugs can artificially and prematurely open up different levels of perception that one might not normally access without the right practice, intent, and openness. 

  But, also in my experience, they tend to have a distorting effect on one's perceptions and/or how one translates the nonphysical info one is receiving on such drugsn(maybe not the case with DMT, but i don't know since i haven't tried it). 

  I realized pretty early on for myself, that it was much better to stick with a combo of meditation-prayer, right diet and health lifestyle, and opening to PUUL than to rely on or even experiment further with such kinds of drugs. 

  I will say that i had an interesting experience the one and only time i tried Shrooms.  I had a very intense vision of very reddish tinted skies.  During the vision, i became aware that i had had dreams about this before, but didn't remember until now for some reason. 

      But i approached this whole first time experience in a much more Native American like and reverential way.  First i fasted, and then sat down with Becky to meditate and i specifically asked for the help, protection and guidance of our Helpers. 

  Interestingly, not long after this experience i experienced a synchronicity.   I was watching a Sci Fy special on E.T. contacts.  I found it quite interesting in general, and many of the people who spoke seemed very credible to me.  Interestingly, a lot of them were younger and about my age.  A couple of them mentioned that their E.T. friends had given them info about massive Earth changes that will most likely eventually come. 

   One particular young woman mentioned that her E.T. friends had given her a vision of a probable future of the "Red skies", and told her if she saw this event occur that massive changes would take place.   

  I was pretty blown away by that synchronicity at the time, as in my vision of the Red Skies was also linked to major changes (something i just knew, but didn't see). 

  Since then, i've tried to figure out how the skies may turn so red for the whole world for a period.  Still not completely sure, but i have narrowed it down to a couple of specific possible causes.   Interestingly, both different explanations relate to the Sun being instrumental in this. 

   Anyways, i don't recommend drugs because they tend to imbalance the physical vehicle and often the perceptions like i said tend to be distorted.  In most people, the Pineal gland is quite atrophied from non use. 

  It's akin to jabbing high powered adrenaline into an already weakened heart.  There is potential for non pleasant side affects. 

  Perhaps related.  When Becky and i took Shrooms that one time, during it, she started to get a very, very intensely painful headache which ruined her "trip".  Feeling for her, i tried to help her and i layed my hands on her head and intended to take away the headache.

  Well, not long after, her headache dramatically lessened, but i started to get the most painful headaches i have ever have and had to curl up in a fetal position on the bed for quite awhile trying to deal with the pain.   

  Hi Volu, interesting dream and thank you for sharing it.  What do you think the dream message was trying to tell you? 
  Re: the vision and synchronicity i experienced, my sense is that this is not something that will definitely happen but could or is probable.  Lately, because of the state of the world, it seems more and more probable to me.

You wrote re: the Earth changes, "Probably can induce fear if one is too grounded in being a body."

  Fo Sho my bro.  I've often felt that one of the reasons of why there aren't more people getting messages about Earth changes from guidance levels is because of that very issue.  Too much attachment to the body and to the material, and too much fear would come up if one got a glimpse into how challenging things may get on and for both counts. 

 

Thanks recoverer.

Heay Justin,
"Hi Volu, interesting dream and thank you for sharing it. What do you think the dream message was trying to tell you?"

The first part happened inside a house which makes it a body matter to me. I've got body issues to deal with too but could see it through the body filter window and wasn't afraid. For some that particular matter is not on the radar for whatever reason, and that's very ok. Playing the game of row-row-your-boat was quite boring, and might have rocked his boat needlessly if going further with it. Mine too, and a fear exposed.

The part outside the house makes it a spirit issue to me and one of freedom. My perception was and is different, and he should be free to grow, see and tend to his garden his way. So the otherwise helping offer to lend him a lawnmover/information to get rid of what I saw as mess and weeds simply wasn't needed.
 
"Fo Sho my bro.  I've often felt that one of the reasons of why there aren't more people getting messages about Earth changes from guidance levels is because of that very issue.  Too much attachment to the body and to the material, and too much fear would come up if one got a glimpse into how challenging things may get on and for both counts."

Agreed. Where I seem to differ with other similar views is that I see the change as a grand move towards non-physical life, that physical life on earth soon has played out it's role. What is happening now feels like a last look around, and it's bittersweet to observe at times. Meaning, the change seems to already have started but it's a mess put mildly. I re-read ultimate journey a week ago, and took some of it as a reminder that ELS can't be changed. Well, until the change, which is out of my hands. All I really can (and should aspire to) do is tell about what I see if inclined and let other's deal with it their way, and if a complete disregard is the way, so be it. Some of my posts are pushing the envelope, but this isn't an average site in terms of topics and others still can and are free to do with it what they like. I noticed some posts ago that I really pushed it with you and recoverer about astral jesus, but that's my experience, you know? And you have your experiences, and those are of course yours to hold.