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Re:David Hawkins!
Apr 20th, 2011 at 9:27am
 
Hi All: I ran across this piece of information about David Hawkins.

Hawkins’ background is that of a trained psychologist. He ran one of the largest practices in all of Manhattan for many years before retreating to ten years of meditation and spiritual work.

There must be someone on this board who lives in New York City. This should be easy to look up in the public record. If someone is interested please check this out.

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Reply #1 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 2:55pm
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnYJS5lg72w&feature=related

The above talk on the last door is the reason I have a high degree of certainty that DH IS a realized being.

1. Note his appearance... he claims that when he realized himself and withdrew from the world for ten years... he lost contact with his body... it took those ten years to decide to function in the world and then learn to reconnect with a body... he suggests he is not in his body now... but he has learned to make it work... you can see he is not the dapper dan he was when he was riding high as the owner of the one of the largest psychiatric practices in the country in Manhattan... if that checks out then... then at least we know he is telling the truth about that checkable point.

But further what he describes is the 'ego's' last stand... as I have said before it is an agonizing thing for the ego to surrender and that is the true allegory of the crucifixion... Buddha sits under the bodisatva tree and confronts his ego and realizes himself... Ramakrishna holds a sword to his heart and says to God reveal yourself or I want nothing to do this this earthly existence...

The last doorway is a major dark night of the soul...

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Reply #2 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 5:12pm
 
Seraphis:

If you have the right to expose people to David Hawkins, do other people have the right to say that they don't believe that he is the real deal?

Can they say that they don't believe that he rejected Lucifer's offer that would've enabled him to control worlds? Can they say that they believe that such a story is probably something a dishonest story teller would come up with?

Can they say that they don't believe in his enlightenment grading system?

Can they say that they don't believe he is 97% enlightened, just under Jesus?

Can they say that a person who is as enlightened as Hawkins claims, would be able to understand what ACIM is about?

Can they say that it is possibe for a person to say a lot of things that sound clever without being enlightened? Can they say that they know this is so because they are aware of bonified frauds who have done the same?

Can they say that they know of a number of people who have claimed to have overcome their ego, yet such people are some of the most self serving and egotistical people they know?
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Reply #3 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 5:27pm
 
Here's a link about David Hawkins. Below is some more info about his grading system.  Remember, he claims to be a 970.

http://www3.telus.net/public/sarlo/Yhawkins.htm


"He purports, via his truth-dowsing AK, to assign a numerical value from 1 to 1000, or "calibration," to people, concepts, ideologies, corporations, countries, states of (no-)mind and more. Moreover, this scale is not linear but logarithmic. The mathematical details of all this are debunked in the Rick Ross Forum, but even the basic premise is over the top. "Logarithmic" means that every level: 200, 201, 202, etc is not just a tick higher than the last but ten times higher – more powerful, more godly, whatever – making the ordinary shmuck with integrity at 200 ten to the power of 800 less worthy than the one who has made it to 1000. (That's a one with 800 zeroes. Such orders of magnitude are used neither by atomic scientists nor astrophysicists, who use up to 40 at most.) As such, the scale is mind-bogglingly wide to the point of uselessness or bogosity (your choice).

Worse, there is said to be a cult-like element to Hawkins' scale whereby it is impervious to challenge: anyone who questions his results, or whose own results differ significantly, is by definition coming in below 200, the level of integrity, and therefore not worth listening to. This is a classic cult invalidation tactic, a circular logic catch-22 that skewers all deviation from the Official Line."



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Reply #4 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 5:41pm
 
By the way, one of things cult leaders (and other mind controllers) do is get people to believe absurd things. The more they are able to do so, the less the people they control have the ability to think for themselves. It's a very common tactic that has been used with a lot of success.

Hawkins measurement business is absurd.
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Reply #5 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 7:02pm
 
When did I say you didn't have the right to expose anyone whether you have facts or not... can you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt and beyond a moral certainty that he did not 'transcend'???

Can you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt and to a moral certainty that you talk to Jesus??

Pauli effect proved you were blowing smoke screens without substance just your proof of what Jesus told you.

A woman destroyied a work of art recently and her blog said God told her to do it.

Did God tell her to do it?

Lets see if someone comes up with information that Hawkin's claimed he ran or owned a large Manhattan psychiatric practice... that will go a long way to tell us something of his credibility.

S.

recoverer wrote on Apr 20th, 2011 at 5:12pm:
Seraphis:

If you have the right to expose people to David Hawkins, do other people have the right to say that they don't believe that he is the real deal?

Can they say that they don't believe that he rejected Lucifer's offer that would've enabled him to control worlds? Can they say that they believe that such a story is probably something a dishonest story teller would come up with?

Can they say that they don't believe in his enlightenment grading system?

Can they say that they don't believe he is 97% enlightened, just under Jesus?

Can they say that a person who is as enlightened as Hawkins claims, would be able to understand what ACIM is about?

Can they say that it is possibe for a person to say a lot of things that sound clever without being enlightened? Can they say that they know this is so because they are aware of bonified frauds who have done the same?

Can they say that they know of a number of people who have claimed to have overcome their ego, yet such people are some of the most self serving and egotistical people they know?

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Reply #6 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 7:15pm
 
Recoverer you clearly don't understand the scale. The scale itself is based on what Hawkins developed using kineisiology and it is a very complex and subtle system that has a lot of problems... (and you won't be able to discredit it without a lot of 'honest' effort which would require many thousands of dollars) but as a rule of thumb index it has some function, because it can give a student a thumbnail benchmark of mind states and if you conflate it with the Chakral system you can do a rough corrolation between the two systems which can be useful to a dedicated effective student and practicianer of Yoga and spiritual evolution.

What you do is knee jerk rejection on not fact and painstaking investigation but on some weird feeling you have about kineisology... just as you got the ACIM 'ego' information all wrong it looks like you got the kineisology scale all wrong as well..


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recoverer wrote on Apr 20th, 2011 at 5:27pm:
Here's a link about David Hawkins. Below is some more info about his grading system.  Remember, he claims to be a 970.

http://www3.telus.net/public/sarlo/Yhawkins.htm


"He purports, via his truth-dowsing AK, to assign a numerical value from 1 to 1000, or "calibration," to people, concepts, ideologies, corporations, countries, states of (no-)mind and more. Moreover, this scale is not linear but logarithmic. The mathematical details of all this are debunked in the Rick Ross Forum, but even the basic premise is over the top. "Logarithmic" means that every level: 200, 201, 202, etc is not just a tick higher than the last but ten times higher – more powerful, more godly, whatever – making the ordinary shmuck with integrity at 200 ten to the power of 800 less worthy than the one who has made it to 1000. (That's a one with 800 zeroes. Such orders of magnitude are used neither by atomic scientists nor astrophysicists, who use up to 40 at most.) As such, the scale is mind-bogglingly wide to the point of uselessness or bogosity (your choice).

Worse, there is said to be a cult-like element to Hawkins' scale whereby it is impervious to challenge: anyone who questions his results, or whose own results differ significantly, is by definition coming in below 200, the level of integrity, and therefore not worth listening to. This is a classic cult invalidation tactic, a circular logic catch-22 that skewers all deviation from the Official Line."




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Reply #7 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 7:40pm
 
Hey recoverer: You could solve the problem of who people can talk about and not talk about by drawing up a list of people who we are suppose to hate and not talk about send it to Bruce Moen and have him post it as people who are 'persona non-grata' for the site... then we know who we can talk about and who we cannot talk about.

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Reply #8 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 7:40pm
 
Seraphis said: "Pauli effect proved you were blowing smoke screens without substance just your proof of what Jesus told you."

Recoverer responds: "I can't say I agree.


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Reply #9 - Apr 21st, 2011 at 3:40am
 
This is supposedly a mirror of an article that used to be on Wiki.

Obviously, whatever he is, he is very bright, which can be difficult.

http://domainhelp.search.com/reference/David_R._Hawkins

Why was it deleted from Wiki????

He really did write a book with Linus Pauling; it is on Amazon.
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Reply #10 - Apr 21st, 2011 at 6:55am
 
Lucy wrote on Apr 21st, 2011 at 3:40am:
This is supposedly a mirror of an article that used to be on Wiki.

Obviously, whatever he is, he is very bright, which can be difficult.

http://domainhelp.search.com/reference/David_R._Hawkins

Why was it deleted from Wiki????

He really did write a book with Linus Pauling; it is on Amazon.


Hi Lucy: Remember Wiki deleted Bruce Moen's artcle... they seem to want to keep spiritual stuff off the site especially contemporary potentially controversial material.

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Reply #11 - Apr 21st, 2011 at 8:54am
 
Hi Lucy: Thanks for posting that information. How did you get the mirror image?

Looks like he did have the big psychiatric practice in Manhattan then he has the 'enlightenment' event withdraws from the world his first wife divorces him and then he decides to come back... big mistake LOL!! ... I doubt he had a choice... then he launches himself into dissemination and collides with the realities of 'maya'... I think he has withdrawn again... one of the new age interviewers told me he no longer gives interviews and is not active anymore... luckily for the New age world he did leave the trilogy... for those with eyes to see... but he did make a big mistake publishing Power vs Force before 'Eye of the I'... that is the big work... all the rest is wallowing.

S.

Lucy wrote on Apr 21st, 2011 at 3:40am:
This is supposedly a mirror of an article that used to be on Wiki.

Obviously, whatever he is, he is very bright, which can be difficult.

http://domainhelp.search.com/reference/David_R._Hawkins

Why was it deleted from Wiki????

He really did write a book with Linus Pauling; it is on Amazon.

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Reply #12 - Apr 22nd, 2011 at 2:16am
 
I found the mirror link at a third site (on Hawkins) which I have now "lost" but it sort of regurgitated the mirror site.

Hawkins is so bright I wouldn't be surprised if he got himself in a bind on certain issues, but then I don't know what he experienced. There always seems to be some disconnect with self-realization and the intellect.

Only saw the movie, but the guy in "A Beautiful Mind" lives something extraordinary. If we do choose our lives, I do wonder what his take-home prize is, what he gains from the struggle. I think these stories are connected because you have two powerful intellects here.

Also Robert Pirsig...

Someone with a powerful intellect might interpret the experiences a little differently.

But that's the problem. The intellect can't wrap itself around this question (of existence) completely. It can't be interpreted, it can only be experienced. The intellect always seems to be a subset of the whole, something it doesn't like. Maybe that's what a real ego trip is, not being able to acknowledge that the part, no matter how brilliant or clever or profound, is not the whole.

Though I imagine one could at least point out the path to how one got there (to experience the whole). Does Hawkins book do that?

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Reply #13 - Apr 22nd, 2011 at 11:38am
 
Seraphis1,

If David ran a practice he might have met some people that eventually surrendered their egos by kicking the bucket, and some of them might not even have had any belief system platforms or knowns about the "afterlife" to rely on. If he has claimed he's a realized being he might imo have a lot to surrender ego wise, as that seems to a biggie in his world. I haven't met any realized beings on earth, but many whom I like and respect.

I realize you might have come to a point where you feel you must defend him and/or the words he speak, maybe cos you like him a lot and dissent also then becomes directed at you? Maybe you feel that any dislikes are shooting his words down in flames, that it's duly unjust? David also seems to think that experience is the great teacher, and one of those nuggets of experience on earth is that we have different views. We view the picture from different angles, and even though his, your or mine angles are treasured by the respective parties, others might not. I hear he has some to offer, but not attracted to his words. But so what if there isn't any attraction of like, you still like him, and isn't that enough? Have you heard his thoughts about changing the world?
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Reply #14 - Apr 22nd, 2011 at 11:40am
 
Lucy wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 2:16am:
Hawkins is so bright I wouldn't be surprised if he got himself in a bind on certain issues, but then I don't know what he experienced. There always seems to be some disconnect with self-realization and the intellect.



Hi Lucy: I posted this in another thread but understanding the transcendence phenomena is so important I am posting again with further clarification:

What is Transcendence? Transcendence is simply the state in which one becomes one with the Manifest/Unmanifest…i.e… Yoga… union with God.

The reason this state is so unknown lies in the fact that statistically only 1 in 10,000,000 human beings achieve the state. When the state is achieved it is so profound the tendency is to withdraw from the world, so no footprint is left behind.   

The current population of the planet is +/- 6,812,200,000 which means that at this instant there are 6812 Transcended beings living on the planet. The state generally leaves a being disconnected from ‘objective reality’ and there is nothing to say or communicate. So that only 50% of them remain in contact with physical reality (their bodies). Of the remaining 3406 close to 75% of them are unable to communicate believably and coherently some actually fall from grace…


The current state of American mysticism/theology is wanting in this area since we have no tradition of recognizing ‘Transcendence’ are a good grasp of what it really is… are to even respect it as a very high state of consciousness… and the reason there is a disconnect between the intellect and ‘self-realization’ is that ‘self-realization’ is beyond intellect… Robert Monroe understood the disconnect when he began to get the idea that there is a ‘non-verbal’ communication modality beyond focus 21 and above… Bruce Moen captured it is his Cosmograph… Curiosities Father… intellect crashes and burns when confronted with the idea that something just ‘is’…

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