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Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 10:39pm

Slyvan Muldoon the earliest prolific and accurate writer on astral projection postulated (I always assumed from direct experience) that the astral projection reflex was automatic… if I correctly recall he stated that when the body and mind fell asleep… the etheric double projected into the astral to recharge…

We have no memory of this event because the impression is not strong enough to be retained in the physical life of the person… but is signaled by falling sensations, noises, jerking of the body or body parts… but until one is a student of the phenomena one never is able to discover the reason for these events.

Robert Monroe realized that one could put the body asleep and keep the mind awake… when this was accomplished one remember more of the events which occurred in the astral…

To do controlled conscious Projections one must discover how to get the mind to disconnect thus triggering the automatic reflex but, discovering that particular balanced state is bedeviling…

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Reply #1 - Apr 5^th, 2011 at 12:49am

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 10:39pm:

Slyvan Muldoon the earliest prolific and accurate writer on astral projection postulated (I always assumed from direct experience) that the astral projection reflex was automatic… if I correctly recall he stated that when the body and mind fell asleep… the etheric double projected into the astral to recharge…

We have no memory of this event because the impression is not strong enough to be retained in the physical life of the person… but is signaled by falling sensations, noises, jerking of the body or body parts… but until one is a student of the phenomena one never is able to discover the reason for these events.

Robert Monroe realized that one could put the body asleep and keep the mind awake… when this was accomplished one remember more of the events which occurred in the astral…

To do controlled conscious Projections one must discover how to get the mind to disconnect thus triggering the automatic reflex but, discovering that particular balanced state is bedeviling…

S.

I did it!! I knew that that astral projection reflex was real... I teased it out but it is still shrouded in symbolism like a lot of purple and a lot of royal gowns and pomp... but, an exit without draconian fasting and sleep deprevation and the like... Monroe smoked like a chimney I am told... his diet was hamburgers, bacon and eggs... these are all natural phenomena... one needs only to persist and seek the proper state... I can still have Prime rib, baked potato with butter sour cream and chives and still project and get into the astral... I knew it... now it is getting under MY conscious volitional control... a lot of work a head to follow thru... but I am thru the gate... across the river and into trees... Gloria in excelis deo..!!!

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Reply #2 - Apr 5^th, 2011 at 12:03pm

Going forward I have three problems to contend with...:

1. To consistently exit at will... now that I seem to understand the process hopefully that will be a minor problem.

2. Cleaning up the issue of the dream mind area I seem to get into I am cloaked in imagery which is an annoyance...

3. Mobility... now that I have solved or have a handle on the exit I just realized (and this may be connected to my taking so long to learn or get a handle on exiting) mobility... I seem to be more an observer than a traveler... this could be related to psychic energy... I notice in most of my astral projections I run out of mobile energy fairly quickly... no sure what the solution to that problem is... it may be the earhbound connection... i.e.. the attachment to prime rib and the like... the less there is in the physical that attracts you the lighter you become so to speak there is no getting around that fact.

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Reply #3 - Apr 5^th, 2011 at 5:16pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 12:03pm:

3. Mobility... now that I have solved or have a handle on the exit I just realized (and this may be connected to my taking so long to learn or get a handle on exiting) mobility... I seem to be more an observer than a traveler... this could be related to psychic energy... I notice in most of my astral projections I run out of mobile energy fairly quickly...

How much NEW do you do each day?

Do you request "Awareness now!" or "Energy now!" once you are out?

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Reply #4 - Apr 5^th, 2011 at 6:15pm

PauliEffectt wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 5:16pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 12:03pm:

3. Mobility... now that I have solved or have a handle on the exit I just realized (and this may be connected to my taking so long to learn or get a handle on exiting) mobility... I seem to be more an observer than a traveler... this could be related to psychic energy... I notice in most of my astral projections I run out of mobile energy fairly quickly...

How much NEW do you do each day?

Do you request "Awareness now!" or "Energy now!" once you are out?

Hi Pauli: The events of the last two days caught me by surprise (as usual) the mantra that got me here is "Now, I am out of body"... it works up to a point... but, I don't seem to have the major blow outs that I hear others have... I am out but covered in the dream mind astral imagining which is the third level Monroe described in a very early hand out he gave with gateway I think... but, I think the images are undigested images from recent DVD's I watch... the long version of a BBC production of Elizabeth I... that is where the royal gowns were coming from... I was surprise the predominat exit color was purple tho... since the heart chakra was chugging aware I thought it would be emerald green... but then what do I know...

That is my next step to shift to 'awareness' now or attempt to get distance from my body by going to the TMI crystal... ''crystal now'... but it is difficult to have presence of mind to do these things under certain conditions I am not always 'volitional'

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Reply #5 - Apr 5^th, 2011 at 8:27pm

4/5/2011 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 2 - energy below exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise;
Gateway/Wave III - Freedom: track 2 - First Stage Separation

AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise
Energy from below:
Silly Little Finger exercise:
Gateway/Wave III - Freedom: track 2 - First Stage Separation

I can only describe this session as beautiful… I am dropping into the relaxation phase very easily and deeply and this is very important… once the body is asleep on needs only to get the projection reflex to think the mind is also asleep that is the hard part… but when the heart chakra begins to attempt to generate the etheric double I go directly to the ‘Now, I am out of body’ mantra… this time I almost immediately felt (became aware of) my feet above my head… I was in a head stand the phantom (not the etheric body… this did not get generated by the heart chakra in this session… ) but the phantom was attached to my poc (which resides in the pineal) and you would visualize this like Siamese twins…that remain until the Gateway track kicked in… then this went smoothly and as per instructions and I felt wonderful… all my pieces came together at the end… and I thought one, one… one… and can only describe the whole experience as beautiful..

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Reply #6 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 1:02pm

Seraphis1,

I'm glad to see you realized that you don't need to starve yourself to have OBEs.

Some advice I can give you is that you're making it way more difficult than it is.

First, have an intention. Second, learn to simply pay attention to your breathing. Breathe naturally and comfortably, but just pay attention to it as you mentally and physically relax. You can be sitting or lying, doesn't matter. Once you begin feeling a shift in relaxation (which begins to happen naturally the moment we close our eyes), then remind yourself of your intention, and then let it go. Third, pay attention to what comes next in your awareness. It will be a direct response to your intention.

Next, allow yourself to just feel, rather than to be thinking, judging, and analyzing. When I read your posts, this is where I can see you make things too complicated. I also see that you seem to have expectations of what an OBE should be like. You may be basing too much expectation on the experiences of your mentors. Instead of having expectations, just go along with whatever experience YOU have, just allow yourself to FEEL and BE without judgement.

The things that are holding you back are funny things. They are nearly impossible to recognize and grab ahold of. So, instead of trying to overcome what's holding you back, just focus on letting go of them and acting as if they aren't even there.

There's a lot to be said for beginner's luck. It's what happens because you go into something not having a clue of what to expect and just going along for the ride. No judgements, no analyzing. Nothing in the back of your mind telling you there are obsticles.

One last bit of advice, there are many kinds of OBEs, not just the classic one that you're searching for. Once you open up to that idea, you'll likely blow open your perception and have a lot more experiences happening to you.

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Reply #7 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 2:58pm

Vicky wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 1:02pm:

Seraphis1,

I'm glad to see you realized that you don't need to starve yourself to have OBEs.

Some advice I can give you is that you're making it way more difficult than it is.

First, have an intention. Second, learn to simply pay attention to your breathing. Breathe naturally and comfortably, but just pay attention to it as you mentally and physically relax. You can be sitting or lying, doesn't matter. Once you begin feeling a shift in relaxation (which begins to happen naturally the moment we close our eyes), then remind yourself of your intention, and then let it go. Third, pay attention to what comes next in your awareness. It will be a direct response to your intention.

Next, allow yourself to just feel, rather than to be thinking, judging, and analyzing. When I read your posts, this is where I can see you make things too complicated. I also see that you seem to have expectations of what an OBE should be like. You may be basing too much expectation on the experiences of your mentors. Instead of having expectations, just go along with whatever experience YOU have, just allow yourself to FEEL and BE without judgement.

The things that are holding you back are funny things. They are nearly impossible to recognize and grab ahold of. So, instead of trying to overcome what's holding you back, just focus on letting go of them and acting as if they aren't even there.

There's a lot to be said for beginner's luck. It's what happens because you go into something not having a clue of what to expect and just going along for the ride. No judgements, no analyzing. Nothing in the back of your mind telling you there are obsticles.

One last bit of advice, there are many kinds of OBEs, not just the classic one that you're searching for. Once you open up to that idea, you'll likely blow open your perception and have a lot more experiences happening to you.

Vicky

Hi Vicky: Thanks for the pointers... I don't post a lot of things mostly thing that seem important... but, you are right I notice events and phenomena that don't fit with the classic descriptions... like Muldoons rising up out of the body full length and rotating in an arc over your toes... but, very subtle things happen... they are quite sudden an almost get lost to perception... like in this mornings session I was like upside down but did not realize it a first but when I did realize it... it evaporated... and I only remembered it because of an instantaneous recognition that remain long enough for me to consciously record it... but would have been lost had I not retained the fragment...

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Reply #8 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 3:10pm

Vicky wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 1:02pm:

Seraphis1,

I'm glad to see you realized that you don't need to starve yourself to have OBEs.

Some advice I can give you is that you're making it way more difficult than it is.

First, have an intention. Second, learn to simply pay attention to your breathing. Breathe naturally and comfortably, but just pay attention to it as you mentally and physically relax. You can be sitting or lying, doesn't matter. Once you begin feeling a shift in relaxation (which begins to happen naturally the moment we close our eyes), then remind yourself of your intention, and then let it go. Third, pay attention to what comes next in your awareness. It will be a direct response to your intention.

Hi Vicky: I notice that once I get the relaxation mode underway there is a subtle shift… I always identify it as the fundamental energy body attempting to disengage but as soon as I put attention on it… I lose it… (thinking, judging and analyzing???!!!)

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Reply #9 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 3:52pm

Yes exactly. It's in what you just said, "As soon as I put attention on it..." As soon as you engage that left-brain thinking type of patterns it's when you shift away from what you're doing and experiencing. It's like you can either be observing something or you can be thinking about and analyzing what you just observed, but it's hard to do both.

I'd put you in the same boat as me and say that you're still quite a newbie at this stuff, and we haven't yet gotten a grasp on how to maintain awareness in both aspects at the same time long enough to have the kind of experiences we wish to have that we know are easily possible.

So when it comes to having these types of experiences, it's not just a matter of wanting and believing. There are so many tiny, almost non-identifiable things that we "do" in our thinking, behaving, and reacting which literally act like a switch between those left and right brained types of behavior. Or another way to say it is a switch between the logic and the intuition, or between thinking and feeling. That's why being logical about your approach can sometimes just be an inhibitor.

But to learn (or teach) how to just "let go" is not the easiest thing to do. I understand it, but am still trying to learn the art and skill involved.

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Reply #10 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 4:31pm

Vicky wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 3:52pm:

I'd put you in the same boat as me and say that you're still quite a newbie at this stuff, and we haven't yet gotten a grasp on how to maintain awareness in both aspects at the same time long enough to have the kind of experiences we wish to have that we know are easily possible.

Funny you should say that because many times I feel the heart chakra kick in and the etheric double forms like a mass in its center... but like it is waiting for something to eject like it did when I did that long fast and sleep deprivation... I was so debilitated that my conscious mind had no power and the etheric double just floated out like it was supposed to do...

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Reply #11 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 10:31am

Hi Seraphis,

Regarding that mass in the center that you spoke of-- keep in mind there are perhaps seven bodies all interpenetrating or encased like Russian dolls. Except that's a physical analogy and you're not in the physical. So the central forms you feel might be those other bodies getting re-energized.

Eventually you'll be able to discard the astral and move to the mental body, then past that and through some spiritual ones. Each discard leaves you freer and able to go higher/farther.

I agree with Vicky that we don't want to tie much thought to this because our thoughts are so influenced by the physical and your explorations are not in the physical. "You're not in Kansas anymore, Toto!" Wink

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Reply #12 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 8:18pm

Hi All: Anyone interested in OBE's in classic fashion should study vicky's advice carefully... I attempted to execute ... letting go combined with feeling and avoiding analysis... and I was popping out all over the place... this was an outstanding session this afternoon.

S.

Vicky wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 1:02pm:

Seraphis1,

I'm glad to see you realized that you don't need to starve yourself to have OBEs.

Some advice I can give you is that you're making it way more difficult than it is.

First, have an intention. Second, learn to simply pay attention to your breathing. Breathe naturally and comfortably, but just pay attention to it as you mentally and physically relax. You can be sitting or lying, doesn't matter. Once you begin feeling a shift in relaxation (which begins to happen naturally the moment we close our eyes), then remind yourself of your intention, and then let it go. Third, pay attention to what comes next in your awareness. It will be a direct response to your intention.

Next, allow yourself to just feel, rather than to be thinking, judging, and analyzing. When I read your posts, this is where I can see you make things too complicated. I also see that you seem to have expectations of what an OBE should be like. You may be basing too much expectation on the experiences of your mentors. Instead of having expectations, just go along with whatever experience YOU have, just allow yourself to FEEL and BE without judgement.

The things that are holding you back are funny things. They are nearly impossible to recognize and grab ahold of. So, instead of trying to overcome what's holding you back, just focus on letting go of them and acting as if they aren't even there.

There's a lot to be said for beginner's luck. It's what happens because you go into something not having a clue of what to expect and just going along for the ride. No judgements, no analyzing. Nothing in the back of your mind telling you there are obsticles.

One last bit of advice, there are many kinds of OBEs, not just the classic one that you're searching for. Once you open up to that idea, you'll likely blow open your perception and have a lot more experiences happening to you.

Vicky

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Reply #14 - Apr 16^th, 2011 at 11:17am

Hi All: I can't be sure yet that my dream mind experience this morning was related to a shift in emphasis from analytical mind to feeling (mind???) but I was in a divine dream state most of the night an awoke with 'Gloria in excelsis deo' echoing in my mind... only time and continued use of this technique will tell for sure... but, one other problem I've had with obe's is when I do exit I usual ascend into what I think is the Buddhic mind which is characterize by euphoria, cloud '9' super good feeling and after a time I get sucked out of that state back into the body... wonder if this is related.

S.

Vicky wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 1:02pm:

Seraphis1,

I'm glad to see you realized that you don't need to starve yourself to have OBEs.

Some advice I can give you is that you're making it way more difficult than it is.

First, have an intention. Second, learn to simply pay attention to your breathing. Breathe naturally and comfortably, but just pay attention to it as you mentally and physically relax. You can be sitting or lying, doesn't matter. Once you begin feeling a shift in relaxation (which begins to happen naturally the moment we close our eyes), then remind yourself of your intention, and then let it go. Third, pay attention to what comes next in your awareness. It will be a direct response to your intention.

Next, allow yourself to just feel, rather than to be thinking, judging, and analyzing. When I read your posts, this is where I can see you make things too complicated. I also see that you seem to have expectations of what an OBE should be like. You may be basing too much expectation on the experiences of your mentors. Instead of having expectations, just go along with whatever experience YOU have, just allow yourself to FEEL and BE without judgement.

The things that are holding you back are funny things. They are nearly impossible to recognize and grab ahold of. So, instead of trying to overcome what's holding you back, just focus on letting go of them and acting as if they aren't even there.

There's a lot to be said for beginner's luck. It's what happens because you go into something not having a clue of what to expect and just going along for the ride. No judgements, no analyzing. Nothing in the back of your mind telling you there are obsticles.

One last bit of advice, there are many kinds of OBEs, not just the classic one that you're searching for. Once you open up to that idea, you'll likely blow open your perception and have a lot more experiences happening to you.

Vicky

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