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Reply #75 - Mar 27th, 2011 at 10:09pm
 
And according to what Hawkins reported, he (supposedly) reached the highest level after resisting Lucifer's temptations. Supposedly he turned down the offer to control worlds.

Is this a reasonable thing to believe? Does it make sense to ignore the fact that such claims were made by him?

And I still can't get over the fact that a person who is as enlightened as Hawkins claims, can't see through ACIM.


Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 27th, 2011 at 8:30pm:
recoverer wrote on Mar 27th, 2011 at 5:51pm:
Regarding Suzanne Seagal, perhaps it is significant that she could experience intense fear as she did for about 10 years, even though she was in a supposed transcendent state beyond her body and mind.

If she had actually transcended her mind, why did she experience fear?



The reason for this as Hawkins points out in one of trilogy books... there are at least four levels of enlightenment. Every time you reach one of these levels if you have 'belief system baggage' that was unresolve at a lower level you won't be able to progress to the next level until you dissolve the lower belief system matrix that created the illusion you created at that level... when a spiritual being progresses on the path without an enlighted guru who is above their level of spiritual evolution and can see the areas that will snag the aspirant... the aspirant (tho fully capable of dissolving the offending issues eventually if they persist...) will be snag for sometime simply because one does not see one's own 'stuff' easily...

This insight is one of the reasons I know Hawkins is the real deal.

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Reply #76 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 12:41am
 
recoverer wrote on Mar 27th, 2011 at 10:09pm:
And according to what Hawkins reported, he (supposedly) reached the highest level after resisting Lucifer's temptations. Supposedly he turned down the offer to control worlds.

Is this a reasonable thing to believe? Does it make sense to ignore the fact that such claims were made by him?

And I still can't get over the fact that a person who is as enlightened as Hawkins claims, can't see through ACIM.



I have said it before and I will say it again there is no way to know for sure the validity of any of the claims of beings who have reportedly reached these high levels of attainment. There generally is no footprint. It is a matter of personal judgment. The final temptation is quite valid... it is usually referred to as the dark night of the soul in which you make a final decision about choosing between God and Mammon... you can't do both... you either hate the one and love the other... it must be complete surrender... one way or the other...

As to ACIM (A course in miracles) this is nothing more that 'A' system of positive thinking... you could choose The Secret system... Napoleon Hill's positive thinking system and the like... they all work up to a point.

S.
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Re: The great experiment of individuality
Reply #77 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 11:44am
 
Seraphis1,
"[...] a final decision about choosing between God and Mammon... you can't do both... you either hate the one and love the other... it must be complete surrender... one way or the other..."

I choose my disc, and god and mammon can do their tango. That's the way of the polarities, to present two choices, sort of like american politics with the light and dark party. Both parties' proposed changes pretty much end up being same old, same old. Keeps the show going though. Sometimes I wonder how "old people" still manage do the same repeating dull earth stuff over and over and over again. Maybe it's like that if one thinks this is all there is.
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Reply #78 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 7:33pm
 
Recoverer,
yes, I met similar people in my retrievals. A guy who was focused on his thought-loop which was about that he doesn't exist because he had died. And I came along a region which was really dark, I mean it actually was hard for me to stay there, and what I got was that there "dwell" those who are really convinced about their nothingness in death. So, you are right in your warning to not get caught up in delusions.

   This though cannot be used against Wartella or anyone else who reports about states of I-lessness. It is all about being honest with yourself (as long as you have a self  Wink ). Zen teachers warn about how easy it is to betray ourself. And in Buddhist scripture we often find the note that we don't become enlightened because we're so educated in the scripture, but only through (or better: in) personal experience, meaning, don't talk yourself into a ego-less state, as this is nonsense, but experience it. You either do, or do not, and you have to be honest on that with yourself. Wartella actually is pessimistic about any method which would make enlightenment happen. The only one we may try is self-observance, so that one day the "I" might be seen through as a concept.

May everyone take from this and Wartella what's beneficial for him/her/life/the whole.

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