Well, God removed the Free Will of the Pharaoh, so God could use the poor man to keep torturing the Israels, and later drown a whole bunch of Egyptians in the Red Sea.

This discussion reflects a very simplistic premise or notion that God is much like a single man in the sky, who set out to design our earthly lives and must, by our own definition be omnipotent.  So the haters or debunkers then can rant and rave and say "look at all this misery, and see what God has wrought."

But what if - now stay with me for a moment - what if the above premise reflects a total misunderstanding of what God is and what we, ourselves are?  What if we are individual points of conscious awarenes, and God is the life force from which we spring? 

Would it not be possible to then say that the misery we see and the horrors are related to the conscious actions of billions of people, rather than to God?

Who says that God has to micromanage the outcomes?   Is it not enough that he gives us life, and is the source of love in the world?  Might he not say - "oh my child, you are on a mighty exploration of your own, as you dive into the physical world.  But I support you and will love you when you are ready to return?"

For myself, that is how I see it; that the reason people can successfully argue about an "evil" God is merely that they don't understand the relationship of human consciousness to human experience.  It is the lessons we all learn in life; the laws of karma.  Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  Why?  Well, because what you send out to others comes back into your own experience.  These lessons are meant for people to each experience and learn.  For those who don't, there is much suffering. And there is suffering due to random energies (earthquakes, accidents, etc.)  But in many of the nonrandom events the suffering is created by them themselves; they are bound by chains of their own creation.

Judge not, less ye be judged - by youself!  This is a major afterlife lesson.  God doesn't judge you.  He doesn't micromanage your life, you are a conscious creative being and with your thought and intent, you create your own path in this world.

I gravitate toward Einstein's view of God:

"My views are near those of Spinoza; admiration for the beauty of and belief in the logical simplicity of the order and harmony which we can grasp humbly and only imperfectly.  I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem - the most important of all human problems."   

He went on to say: "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the lawful harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind."

Matthew

Perhaps each individuated unit of consciousness is responsible for the evolution of the entire system and "God" is just another name for the units as a whole and Evil is a "necessary evil" for growth within the ELS and free will choices create the training ground, Thus no man like god in the clouds just human mistakes and mother nature offering the opportunity for evolving (experiencing) and growth.

As I have said before, I think Hitler was a character as we all are. The life review is a debriefing just as an actor would need to be debriefed if they forgot they were acting and left the stage into the "real" world still believing they were the character. It doesn't make this life any less important to the characters but I think it gives more understanding of the Actor Self behind each role played here.

I wouldn't expect everyone to see it this way and I may not be explaining it in a way that makes the idea fully comprehended, but I've thought about it more than I have read about it from others.

I hope we won't be turning the thread into an Evil Hitler debate. His actions were horrendous certainly, but if I am right he was a hell of an actor in the grand scheme of things. We got to see what happens when a major world power completely tosses out the Golden Rule and we can all learn from it if we choose to do so.

DocM wrote on Jan 25^th, 2011 at 4:40pm:


Hi All: This is a great post because it is in keeping with what Monroe and Moen discovered... that there is no absolute anthropomorphic God... there are 'gods' beings who function out of Hollow Heavens and can sometimes penetrate to the physical plane under certain conditions... such as the Mormon angel "Moroni" and power a movement... but the dead giveaway on "Moroni" as a Hollow Heaven entity is his insistence that 'Black' people are inferior... and not eligible to be priest... that women need to be herded like cattle with a male servicer... so a 'superior' man can have dozens of wivies... clearly this entity was and probably still is operating out of the 'astral mud' and has limited powers of manefestation in the physical plane... such that the power was able to sustain a movement and even generated a miracle or two to sustain their existence.

So there are hunderds or maybe thousands of... gods and demigods who manipulate the Astral Mud... you just have to know the difference.


S.

That's the problem with being a celebrity. People make up all kinds of rumors about you. I wonder if God has a problem with Paparazzi.

Hi Recoverer

You said these beautiful words of truth below:_


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God bless you because l know that you know the real nature of our beautiful God

Alan