In a mirror retrieval method,

This is the first time I can remember ever doing the retrieval in this way. Somewhere around 5:30 AM I was awakened by lightning and thunder, a little unusual for winter in Florida. Remembering that I had planned to visit my friend Rosalie to check on some unusual visitors in her condo I closed my eyes and intended to find Rosalie at her place. After sensing my arrival I felt around for Rosalie and found her awake and alert standing to my left. I explained that I'd come to check out the ghosts she and I had e-mail back and forth about recently. Then, after a brief discussion I placed intent to meet with one of the ghosts. A few moments later a short heavy set man moved past us moving from left to right. There was something odd about him but I couldn't really put my finger on it. Several attempts of using my usual methods to get his attention failed. This guy seemed completely oblivious to my presence. Stepping back for a moment to assess the situation Rosalie and I sort of floated along with him as I gathered more impressions of the man. His movements and demeanor were robot-like. Focusing my attention on that I realized that he appeared to be hollow for lack of a better term. It was like there was very little substance to him, to the point of him being somewhat transparent and a dull gray color. Taking this all in I suddenly realized what I was looking at was an aspect or fragment of a person. I've dealt with retrieving aspects in the past, and knowing that they are sometimes hard to reach, I cranked my efforts up a notch or two to get him to notice me .

I moved to a position directly in front of him and began making faces at him, waving my hands around in front of his eyes, and when that didn't work I began talking to him in a louder voice. None of those had the slightest impact on him. He just kept moving along, his face gray and expressionless, with no hint that he was in any way aware of my presence. I tried harder. I was jumping up and down, yelling and screaming directly into his face. I did everything short of slapping him, all to no avail. I stepped back again to reassess the situation and talk it over with Rosalie. We came to the conclusion that he was so deeply and tightly focused within his own version of reality that he perceived nothing else. It was like, even though Rosalie's condominium may have been repainted different colors, all of his furniture taken out and hers put in, he was still seeing it just as it had been before his death when he lived there. During retrieval attempts in the past there were situations that were similar and I'd had to resort to locating the aspect' s more whole self. In the past this has meant traveling through some other reality, often focus 27, and then bringing his whole self back into the reality in which the aspect, or fragment, was stuck.

I turned to Rosalie and explained to her my I understanding of the present situation and my plan to locate this person's whole self. I began to feel movement through blackness as if we were slowly flying away from her condo. I took the time to explain to Rosalie that I would need to focus on this person's whole self in order to locate him and go where he was. That I wouldn't be able to split my focus to continue conversation with Rosalie why was doing this, and asked that she just stay close to me and follow along to wherever we went. I didn't want her to think I was ignoring her during this "flight" and I knew my tight focus on finding the guy could make it appear that way to her.

After moving to this blackness for brief time I suddenly found myself back in Rosalie's condominium. I figured my breaking concentration to communicate with Rosalie had brought us back. So I placed intent to be with this guy's more whole self and we took off again only to wind up right back at her condominium again. After several more attempts that ended up back at Rosalie's condominium I stopped and looked around. The man's more whole self was standing in front of me there in the condominium. That came as a bit of a surprise, in the past I'd always had to bring the person there. He then began to explain the situation from his own perspective.

He confirmed that this aspect of himself was a very small fragment existing within the very, very limited version of reality. A version of reality in which he just moved around his condominium aimlessly in what I might describe as a semiconscious dream state. Those are not the exact words he used to describe it, but I think my paraphrase of his explanation will get the point across. I can't remember ever being confronted with an experience like this one. The more whole self had come to meet Rosalie and me there in the condominium instead of me having to try to find him somewhere. He had a very good understanding of the situation in which his aspect was stuck. He understood why it was that he could not successfully retrieved the aspect on his own, he knew that he needed help and, I believe, he had a hand in drawing me into the situation through Rosalie's previous perceptions of the aspect.

As Rosalie and I listened an idea began to form in my mind as a way of approaching the situation to accomplish the retrieval. At some point in our conversation I began to explain this to, for the sake of simplicity let's call him Ernie, and more details of the plan began to unfold in my mind. I would need, as I explained to Ernie, to step into his nonphysical body to add some level of physical reality energy to his presence. This was intended to make him more easily perceivable to his fragment. As a way of getting his fragments attention I would project the image of a full-length mirror around my body and we would take up a position directly in front of his fragment. If we noticed the least bit of awareness of his own mirror image in front of him on the part of his fragment we would mimic every movement the fragment made. That is far as my plan went at that point. Ernie agreed, I stepped his body from behind and imagined the full-length mirror surrounding our bodies. We took a position directly in front of Ernie's fragment and kept pace with his movements staying about 3 to 4 feet in front of him. After a minute or two Ernie's fragment saw what he believed to be a reflection of himself in a mirror in front of him. At that point Ernie's fragment stopped moving.

I could hear the fragments thoughts. "That's odd," the fragment thought to himself, "I've looked at myself in mirrors here in the condo before but there was something wrong with those mirrors because I could never see myself in them. But I can see myself in this one." I did my best to move my body (inside Ernie's body) to mimic the movements of the fragment. Mostly my timing was a little off but that didn't seem to bother the fragment too much. As Ernie's fragment focused more and more on what he perceived to be his own image in a mirror he began to talk to himself, by that I mean, talk out loud to his image in the mirror. Now his lips are moving and I'm trying to mimic those movements in real time, and not doing a very good job of it. As a fragment focuses more and more on his image in the mirror he begins to notice little details like that. At one point he said to his image in the mirror, "you are being very odd. You are not moving like a reflection of me in the mirror, sometimes it's like you are somebody else." Thinking his recognition of this gave me an opening I, as his image in the mirror, began talking back to him.

"You're right Ernie," I said, "sometimes I am acting like somebody else." I immediately realized this was a mistake. Ernie's fragment got a terrible look of fright on his face and turned slightly like he was beginning to move away. I immediately went back to mimicking his movements and felt myself give some control of my body movements over to the more whole version of Ernie, whose nonphysical body I was in. The fragment noticed that his reflection's movements were precisely following his, I felt his fright relax, and he turned once again facing the mirror. He began to move his arms, make faces, and in other ways verifying to himself that his reflection in the mirror was behaving as it should. I felt myself give over more control to Ernie's whole self. I could feel Ernie sending thoughts into his fragment' s mind in a way that is fragment would believe they were his own thoughts. The fragment would then say those thoughts out loud and Ernie was able, even his lip moments, mimic the fragment to the finest detail . 

At first the thoughts of Ernie sent where pretty mundane and ordinary. As things progressed I felt Ernie project thoughts like, "this is a very interesting mirror," and "I wonder what sort of things this mirror might be able to show me," and "this mirror seems almost magical." Then, after some time, "I wonder if I could see myself in this mirror the way I looked when I was 20 years old?" A few moments after the fragment spoke these words to the mirror his reflection briefly flashed to an image of himself when he was 20 years old. After the fragment wondered if he could do this again I felt Ernie flash his own 20 year old image back to his fragment again for a little longer period of time. After some time I felt Ernie send to his fragment the thought, "I wonder if I could see my wife in this magical mirror."  As a look of anticipation came over the fragment' s face my attention was split within two locations. While I remain inside the body of Ernie, I was also standing next to Rosalie talking to her.

"Rosalie," I remember saying, "I think we are going to need your help with this one."  Ernie's wife, let's call her Sue, was now standing next to Rosalie and me. Sue smiled at Rosalie and nodded, indicating that she would appreciate Rosalie's assistance in this retrieval. Rosalie stepped into Sue's body, I found myself fully back inside Ernie in the mirror.  The width of the mirror increased on my right side and Rosalie (as Sue) stepped into the mirror standing in my right, looking directly into the fragment' s eyes, and smiling. The two of them played for a short time, using thoughts sent by Ernie.  The two of them shifted to images of themselves at different ages and different times until the fragment became comfortable with this new feature of the magic mirror. Ernie's fragment stabilized at an age that felt to be in his mid-to-late 40s. An image of Sue matching the appropriate age for Ernie's fragment then appeared standing next to him outside of the mirror. The fragment was a little surprised by this but so happy to see Sue that he disregarded the incongruity. Rosalie and I standing in the mirror, continued to mimic and reflect the movements of Sue and the fragment outside the mirror. The two of them embraced and were smiling and talking in each other's arms as they lifted up and flew off together. The projected image of the mirror surrounding us disappeared and Rosalie exclaimed, "Wow, that was really fun!"  Then, Ernie and Sue (their more whole selves) were standing in front of us thanking us for what we had done. Ernie explained that there were others who had aspects, or fragments, stuck and needing retrieval in the condo complex. He asked if we would be willing to provide assistance to others needing to retrieve aspects of themselves. I acknowledged that I would be willing to do this. Then, as the two of them  were leaving a taller, thinner old gentleman entered the scene.

The man introduced himself and began explaining a little about his own stuck aspect as he turned and headed toward a window. When he realized that Rosalie and I were not following him he stopped, turned toward us, and pointed out the window toward another building in the complex. "My aspect is stuck in a different condo in the complex," he explained. It was at that point I realized he was expecting that Rosalie and I would assist him with retrieving his aspect right then. I explained to him that I was willing to work with him and others to retrieve their aspects, but that I would prefer to do this while I was sleeping and didn't necessarily need to be aware of the activities. I also explained that was time for me to get up, get the coffee started, and begin my day. With that I watched as Rosalie and an aspect of me follow the man out to the window on their way to retrieve his aspect.

Later, as I sat sipping my coffee and watching the morning news on TV I was struck by the fact that this standing-in-the-mirror-retrieval-method was for me an entirely new retrieval technique. After the caffeine kicked in and I felt more awake I sat down on my computer, and fired up my voice recognition and typing software (Dragon Speak) to document the experience. If you find yourself in a similar retrieval situation you might give it a try.

Bruce-

I think a newbie would have some problems understanding some of this.

For example, after your non-physical self arrived in Rosalie's condo, you say you found her "awake and alert."  So therefore at this point it's your non-physical self and Rosalie's physical self?

But then you go on to say that you and she had a brief discussion.  It would be helpful if you clarified which aspect of Rosalie you were communicating with. 

Further on, you say that you and Rosalie "floated along" with the man in her condo.  So apparently at this point Rosalie was in her non-physical self...but the transitioning is not really explained.

Rosalie did not know of your visit beforehand since your visit was caused by your awakening from the storm.  Yet upon your arrival at such an early time she was alert and awake.

See what I mean?

R

Thank you for sharing this interesting experience. While reading I had the association of a process of synchronization, tuning in to each other, similar to some therapy methods here in the physical to establish a communication-bridge to someone who is hard to reach by language alone.

It fits somehow, all acting towards the robotic aspect failed, whereas to react brought success and made the aspect more "fluid", so to say. It is the difference between yelling for attention and paying attention. In that you showed you paid attention to the aspect, the aspect got a feeling for its own reality.

Spooky

DocM wrote on Jan 9^th, 2011 at 8:21pm:


Unfortunately, if you want to be effective in helping others, then understanding how it all works is important. The various levels of the astral are no different from the complexity of the physical world and takes a great deal of specialized investigation of specific things... like for example geology and understand where oil has to be because of certain kinds of formations... that is exploration... when Monroe talks about exploration of the various levels f21 to f26 that might be akin to studing geology to find out what might have to be in specific locations of the infinitude of the focus levels...

But, if you want to be free of the physical then all you really need is to understand that 'love' is the sum of the law... all else is an illusion... that is the illusion is the absense of love... become 'love' and you become divine and merged into the substance that create the illusion... so on one level it is all quite complex and maybe not really fathomable in its entirety... but, you don't have to be in the illusion... you can decided to look into your own being and discover the truth.

S.

Hi Matthew--

The fragments or aspects of self can be found either during life or after passing, in my experience.  Just didn't want anyone to think that shards only break at passing. I've found that they form whenever trauma splits them off. The tragedy is exactly as you say, that during a process (called life) that is supposed to help lead to wholeness and unity, forming these partial identities does make the situation more complicated and disturbing. Ultimately aspects will find a way to rejoin their major piece of self but we are working to get them back together more quickly.

Am I paraphrasing or plaguarizing you? I think I'm mainly agreeing with you  (-:

Bets

Hi  Matthew,

It's not  of the physical. Some say aspects can be compared in some degree to holograms.
I suspect the mirror worked because of an agreement on some level,  perhaps by simply remembering how life works in the physical realm.

We're still learning   

Bets

rondele wrote on Jan 10^th, 2011 at 12:50pm:


Hi Folks: I won't go into detail but consider all of this in the light of Monroe's escape velocity syndrone.

S.

The answer to the question how to "subdivide the indivisible" as Matthew said is, there is no indivisible there in this case, as here it is alluded to "the soul" I guess. But "soul" is a concept which is so full of logical contradictions that it can't be taken seriously. Two classical properties of a soul are eternity and indivisibility. But along with these, it also should be able to make progress, to be able be purified, which means change. This all of course can't go together. How can something which is eternal change?

I agree with the above posters about the simple everyday fact that everyone consists of many threads. What is thought of to be a soul, or a person, is merely the I-thought-construct which seemingly holds together all the events and threads which are accessible on local databases of witnessed experiences.

From this perspective, aspects of self are a normal thing. They are threads, or traces, of a strong imprinted, semi-causal thought process. To retrieve them, or, in other words, embed them into something greater, where they fit in, is their enlightenment, such as "our" enlightenment would be as well to to be embedded in something greater, and being aware of it.

Spooky