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Dec 20th, 2010 at 10:56am
 
Hi folks,
sorry if the title's a little abstruse, but you may be interested in the following link, which came from David Icke's headlines:
http://www.mayanmajix.com/art2016.html

which gives a new scientific rationale behind oft dismissed subjects like spirituality, clairvoyance and a whole bunch of other things. It would appear that 'junk' DNA is anything but, and I'm guessing that this article may provide a physical point of contact for our experience of Focus levels and OOB experiences.

Comments, and thoughts folks?

Best wishes,
David (currently completely snowed in in the U.K!!!  Lips Sealed Undecided Cry)
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Reply #1 - Dec 20th, 2010 at 1:42pm
 
The science behind his words is not nearly as fleshed out as he states.  I did a search of the published medical literature for Pjotr Garjajev, and found nothing.  No peer reviewed medical publications in the world literature about manipulating DNA with words.  A commentator on the web noted the same thing about Garajajev:

"Garjajev has no citations in Pubmed.   The claim for DNA modulation seems to come from the article entitled, "The Biological Chip in our Cells", by Grazyna Fosar and Franz Bludorf, published on their website, "German Magazine KonteXt reports on current developments within the ranges of border science and spirituality."   There are a number of claims made, but no data to back up the claims.  Remember, "Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof". 

So, while I think that it is interesting to think of junk DNA in terms of being tuned to frequencies accessible by light, sound and thought, one needs at least some basic science in order to make such a bold statement.  If one could change a frog embryo into a salamander embryo by tuning the DNA, this would be easy to publish in any peer reviewed journal, and would likely win the scientist a Nobel prize. 

It is not that I am not open to these possibilities, but to have no peer reviewed published data or reports means, that these are the ideas of someone who has nothing to back it up.

That being said, I would love to see new types of medical treatment come about that were geared toward catching the right frequencies and tuning DNA.


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Reply #2 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 10:48pm
 
It is pure foolishness to be so skeptical about something as logical as Dr. Garjajev's claims.  The double secret probationary inner circles of science have known about these DNA claims since Aristotle discovered magnetism.  Alfred Einstein even wrote about this topic in his book Mien Kampf, stating that it came to him in a "eureka moment after waking in a bathtub full of ice with one of my kidneys missing!"  So come on, how much more proof do you need?!?!  Wink
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Reply #3 - Jul 29th, 2011 at 3:34pm
 
Hi

IMJC jests, but the overall idea isn't so strange. Science has been looking for and at methods of reprogramming DNA for some time. We've even had some discussion here about whether NDEs have reprogrammed DNA, as indicated by the huge personality changes seen in many people who've had NDEs.

Relatedly, throughout civilization words have been considered to have power beyond their dictionary meanings. "In the beginning was the Word..." --not a very catchy start to a book unless there is some great meaning to back it up  (-;

Abracadabra   Smiley

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Reply #4 - Jul 29th, 2011 at 4:16pm
 
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This, too, was experimentally proven! Living DNA substance (in living tissue, not in vitro) will always react to language-modulated laser rays and even to radio waves, if the proper frequencies are being used. This finally and scientifically explains why affirmations, autogenous training, hypnosis and the like can have such strong effects on humans and their bodies. It is entirely normal and natural for our DNA to react to language. While western researcher cut single genes from the DNA strands and insert them elsewhere, the Russians enthusiastically worked on devices that can influence the cellular metabolism through suitable modulated radio and light frequencies and thus repair genetic defects.


Greetings detheridge.


   This part from the link you included reminded me of what Royal Raymond Rife discovered:
http://www.rense.com/general31/rife.htm

   He successfully found the frequencies of most all diseases, including cancer. He achieved 100 percent cures using light frequencies way back in the 1930's. Unfortunately for the world, greed and corruption in the medical field destroyed this great discovery for continued profit; another reason I despise human nature (not all humans, just many of them).

   Some people have rediscovered his invention and market it under Ray Beam Light and Sound. Thanks to Robert Monroe, we can use sound waves to access the higher focus levels. I have discovered that using both light and sound together also has benefits in mind expansion, as I also use my mind machine in meditation (also called an electronic brainwave synchronizer):
http://www.natures-energies.com/brain_wave_synchronizer.htm
Many times though, I find that just using binaural sound waves better for natural visualization in higher focus levels. The artificial lights can be a distraction; which is good for imagination enhancement, but limited to that.

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Reply #5 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 1:59am
 
   I hope no one thought I was sending this topic on a tangent, which wasn't my intention. Here is something that better match's the original topic:
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=142816
Also this one which plays the 528 hertz frequency:
http://www.in5d.com/528hz-dna-frequency-unlock-your-codons.html
and this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgMQOAWeVs0&feature=related

   It seems that 528 Hz is one of the Solfeggio scale frequencies which has curative power for DNA. Thank you detheridge for leading me to this new knowledge (at least new to me).

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Reply #6 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 5:08pm
 
IMJC...that was funny.

As for the frequency stuff...my guidance has been pinging me for months about frequency and how our future is going to depend on an understanding of frequency and its ability to greatly enhance life on earth through our manipulating it energetically.  I am not scientifically inclined so I am not sure why he/she/it is getting after me so strongly.  Maybe someone here is supposed to get something out of my words?
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Reply #7 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 6:28pm
 
Might we not be missing the forest for the trees here?

Look, people, affirmations work not because of science, or vibrational frequencies, but because our true nature is that of pure consciousness.  Got it?  So whatever we truly believe, deep down in our gut, is usually manifest in our physical lives. 

This is not a complete two way relationship, but to a large extent, our outward living conditions on earth reflect our inward spiritual state.  Anyone, with a little bit of introspection can find the truth in that.

Vibrational frequencies of the human voice and affirmations will differ dramatically between a soprano and a baritone voice.  The cadence and rhythm will be very different. 

It just kills me how any unsubstantiated charlatan can con you guys into saying that all of this was proven in the 1930s, but is being kept from us by "the man" (i.e. the establishment).  Balderdash.  Anyone could objectively show if light therapy can reproducibly kill a tumor, or if certain musical notes or vibrations can cure a given condition. 

Since chromosomes are easy to study, then these light treatments should be current and verifiable.  But I tend to think that while a person will take your money for your own light/sound machine, they will make no effort to study the device because the "science" behind it is not really there. 

We are consciousness incarnate.  Our thoughts do heal and create circumstances in the physical plane.  Use this knowledge to focus your thoughts, and you can heal yourself or others. 


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Reply #8 - Aug 3rd, 2011 at 2:36pm
 
  Bless your naive heart Matthew, because it mostly comes from a deep goodness of heart. 

  Yet, the reality is that there is a lot of greed and corruption in the medical industry and has been for a long time.  Medicine shouldn't have ever become a profitable business model and system.   This is akin to the mistake we made with politics so long ago when we let campaign fund-raising become so involved, or lobbyists influence in bill making or amending.   Now we get many bought and paid for politicians.  We have so many special interest groups involved and boy they have so much more say than the average person.

  Back to medicine: But because it has become a for profit business, the bottom line is a huge part of driving psychology of many in same, and because of that there have been efforts to block, suppress, mis characterize, etc, etc. modalities and methods which though "unusual" and not well tested, could and have helped people tremendously in facilitating true health and not just treating symptoms.  Treating symptoms is what modern mainstream medicine primarily focuses on and does that primarily through largely toxic (to varying degrees depending on which one we are talking about) pharmaceutical drugs.

  But in any case, in all reality, most cures can be found in a combo of diet change, attitude-thought pattern changes, exercise changes, and spinal adjustments.  Some people aren't spiritually meant to be "cured" in this life anyway, because they are learning valuable spiritual lessons through their sickness and/or family members and loved ones are.

   Disease is BIG business, and Pharmaceutical Corporations make some of the hugest profits in the world.   They also are the primary funders of education in the medical world.  As well as political influence and reforms that affect the medical world.

  You think if there was really a simple, affordable, non patentable Cancer cure that developed, that these greed and power hungry corporations wouldn't try to squash it as fast as they became aware of it?   If there is such a reality as corporate espionage, which there is, then there is also plenty of time, money, effort and focus spent on becoming aware of and squashing very effective, affordable, alternative therapies.

   So naive my friend, so naive.  Wake up, our country is in it's death throws as we speak, collapsing under the imponderable weight of its own collective greed, selfishness, and materialism. 

  With all that said, there are plenty of people like you in the mainstream medical world who have good intentions and truly want to see people healed.   Many of these, like you, are in the "frontlines" so to speak and deal with patients more directly. 

But what about the Insurance and Pharmaceutical corporations?  How many CEO's and board members in these groups truly want to see an end to illness, as it would mean an end to their material addictions, obscene salaries, and livelihood?

  Check out the documentary called "The Corporation" to get an insight in to the typical mindset of these folks and these collective "entities".  It's borderline sociopathic, and about as far from PUL as you can get.
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Reply #9 - Aug 4th, 2011 at 1:07am
 
Justin,

I have no doubt that pharmaceutical companies have unscrupulous ways.  I am not blessedly naive, much as I would like to be (might be a happier state of being). 

That being said, there are so many case reports and publications of various sorts in the medical literature, some of which that any method of healing, if studied will come to critical attention.  For the medical and pharmaceutical industry, if they find they can come up with a profitable "light frequency" machine, they will compete vigorously to market it - at a hefty cost for DNA treatments.

Information can not be so easily squelched in this global age of reporting and research.  I have published about a dozen articles in peer-reviewed medical journals, all on my own, often in conjunction with other specialists - with no funding or input from any major companies. 

Simply put, if a healing technique is out there and can be replicated, it will come to attention one way or another. 

My post was addressing another matter entirely.  That is, that if pure thought/consciousness is our true essence, then we can consider ways to heal with thought, independent of light frequencies and DNA - which are, admittedly physical phenomenon.  There is a concept; that of spiritual science, which postulates that if thought and intention are focused and directed, a healing will occur.  There have been books written on this subject and various groups which practice the application of intent on healing.  Various christian church healing groups practice spiritual forms of healing asking parishoners to give thanks for the healing of a member of the church and "visualize them as being whole, healed and smiling."  These visualizations are essentially, a way to channel thought and intent into reality.

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Reply #10 - Aug 4th, 2011 at 3:00am
 
DocM wrote on Aug 4th, 2011 at 1:07am:
That being said, there are so many case reports and publications of various sorts in the medical literature, some of which that any method of healing, if studied will come to critical attention.  For the medical and pharmaceutical industry, if they find they can come up with a profitable "light frequency" machine, they will compete vigorously to market it - at a hefty cost for DNA treatments.

Information can not be so easily squelched in this global age of reporting and research.  I have published about a dozen articles in peer-reviewed medical journals, all on my own, often in conjunction with other specialists - with no funding or input from any major companies. 

Simply put, if a healing technique is out there and can be replicated, it will come to attention one way or another.  


  I don't know about the therapy/device that Ralph and others mentioned, but i am aware of other therapies with merit, which did start to garner attention and quickly were "dealt with" by the corrupt powers that be.   For an example, the Essiac herbal tea.   

   Simple, affordable, very low toxicity and side effects in many cases, not just treating symptoms, and quite simply not profitable to the medical world.  Hence there were steps to try to squash it. 

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My post was addressing another matter entirely.  That is, that if pure thought/consciousness is our true essence, then we can consider ways to heal with thought, independent of light frequencies and DNA - which are, admittedly physical phenomenon.  There is a concept; that of spiritual science, which postulates that if thought and intention are focused and directed, a healing will occur.  There have been books written on this subject and various groups which practice the application of intent on healing.  Various christian church healing groups practice spiritual forms of healing asking parishoners to give thanks for the healing of a member of the church and "visualize them as being whole, healed and smiling."  These visualizations are essentially, a way to channel thought and intent into reality.


  I agree, and well said in the above.  Even with various kinds of "energy healing", i don't often understand why so many get hung up on the forms, and feel like they have to learn Reiki or what not, in order to heal. 

  One heals by their intention, and the ability to step outside of self a bit and channel a more purely creative, constructive consciousness.  For me, this is love in the PUUL sense (Bruce's "PUL" with an extra U for Universal).

  It is simple in its essence.   But, there are many different ways to facilitate healing.  I was speaking more to your strong words about the light/frequency healing device that others spoke of. 

  There is nothing limiting with honest skepticism, but unless you have repeated experience with it, it is limiting to speak so certainly about it and to basically call those interested in same, dupes, for their interest. 

   Let's have a more truly scientific mind.  Keep the mind open but skeptical. 

   Also i was trying to point out to you that perhaps in the case of this device, it hasn't been tested and brought out into the limelight not because it has no validity, but because there are corrupt forces that have something to gain by keeping truly effective therapies in the dark.  Really think about that last part for a moment or two. 

  I don't have any experience with this device myself, so i can't say one way or the other about it specifically, but i know how things tend to operate in this world.  This is a world that is filled with far, far, far more selfishness and materialism than it is with a more pure kind of PUUL like love. 

  That is well to remember before being so strongly certain about this or that therapy based on it's lack of mainstream popularity, use, etc. 

  Also, i have personal experience with your somewhat ingrained and biased medical mindset.  I've seen your biased "certainty" with issues that i have deep, repeated experience with, for example like psoriasis.  I remember you poo pooing Cayce's remedies for psoriasis, which have only helped me deal with mine far more effectively than any conventional, mainstream medical one. 

    Experience to me, is far, far more powerful than theory.  It is a theory, and a false one at that, that psoriasis is caused only by genetics and is incurable, which is the prevailing belief and teaching in your world.  Not only is that false, but your world would label me a criminal if i came out and told people, i could help them cure their psoriasis without any drugs, even though this is truth.   In my mind, this is quite messed up. 

  I know the above, because when i am disciplined in my diet and general health lifestyle (including proper amounts of exercise, stress management via mediation, etc), it disappears and it's like i don't have it.   If i had enough discipline, i could completely cure myself of it, but i don't and so i have it sometimes very mildly and often not much at all.  Also, i really could use regular Chiropractic work, but can't afford it.  This is one contributing reason of why it doesn't fully go away for good as i do tend to have some spinal issues. 

   

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Reply #11 - Aug 4th, 2011 at 6:38am
 
Justin,

I do believe you have found a way to control your psoriasis, but I am less certain you have the answer for everyone with psoriasis.  Ancient magic and shamanism works and functions by coupling conviction and belief to something physical and tangible in the world.  Dave-MBS - one of the brightest souls I have encountered on this board (unfortunately now deceased) used to call this type of magic a three-legged spell.  You have the thought, the spoken word, and then the action to tie it into the physical world to "seal the deal."  Such a scenario could be done by taking a flask of water, and stating your intention, sealing it by saying that as you drink this water, so it shall be done.  Quite powerful if you know how to direct your thoughts.  A similar scenario can be done by writing an idea or directive down on paper and burying it in earth, or setting it on fire, stating that as you make these committed acts, the directive must come to be.

These are commonly found in Wicca and many types of ancient magic still practiced in various cultures.  It works from applied belief.  It is not guaranteed, but then again nothing ever is.  Still, I have seen the effects of applied intent, and it is quite powerful and convincing. 

The problem with ascribing benefit to Essaic tea or Cayce's various treatments is that if one relies only on that method, forgoing all others, they may be losing time and getting much worse.  All science asks is that a healer put together a controlled experiment to show that a given treatment works in a statistically significant manner.  There are now at this time Journals on alternative healing that are peer-reviewed (The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine includes observational and analytical reports on treatments outside the realm of allopathic medicine).  This means that they are open to and publish non-phamaceutical findings, but insist that you show that your product works in a reproducible manner.

You ask that the conventional medical world be open to the unproven homespun healers.  In turn, the conventional medical world may say - we are open, but show us in a straight-forward way that your formula or product works compared to a placebo.  If you can not, it fails the sniff test of rationality.

In my own practice, I incorporate alternative healing techniques on a daily basis, and discuss them with patients - but I couple them with safe tried and true medical therapies.  If someone asks me if I am comfortable with them receiving alternative healing, my usual answer is "yes, but only if it is done in a way I know not to harm the patient. 

The problem with the idea of a global conspiracy to suppress simple treatments, now that the world is connected via the internet, is that if something really works, the truth behind it will out, via the internet and other various groups.  In such new scenarios, the big pharma. companies, will often rush to patent their own devices rather than trying to hush things up. 


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Hi Matthew,

   Yes, you are very correct that belief is and can be very powerful stuff.  What you said about shamanism, etc. reminds me also of the placebo effect. 

    All i can say is that i know in my case, this is not primarily about beliefs and placebo effect.  I know this through methodical observation, and recalling past events before i had any such beliefs but still had psoriasis.  By noting patterns.  I've become very tuned in and sensitive to my body and it's reactions.

   I will give you an example.  After i started to clean up my diet a lot, one of few semi-sweet things i indulged in more regularly was a home made hot chocolate made with non alkalized cocoa, small amounts much less refined sugars mixed with a little stevia, a pinch of "Real Salt", some and some goat milk and/or coconut cream.  The main ingredient by far, water.

   I believed (and strongly so for awhile) that this was healthy and good for me, because i read so much glowing recommendations about the health benefits of less processed cocoa as long as one wasn't consuming much sugar or fat with same as in like chocolate bars and the like. 

    Yet i wryly note, clearly my body did not share this belief, and it certainly had no positive placebo effect.  Eventually i learned through observation that large amounts of chocolate in any form really exacerbated psoriasis symptoms of my body.   When i almost completely eliminated it from my diet, it really helped clear up symptoms. 

   Some of my path as been akin to the above trial and error, despite whatever beliefs or preconceptions i've held and much help as come from following the Cayce's suggestions for these.   But, one constant in both cases is the huge effect that diet in particular has on psoriasis.   Looking back even before i got involved with Cayce's work and info, i noticed some of these patterns as well, before i had any "beliefs" in the validity of Cayce's work.   

   Now, could i project my particular diet onto everyone and say it will universally help all people whose body's have psoriasis? No, but i know that in many cases that diet is a key factor, and my diet probably could help many, for there are certain universals involved. 

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The problem with the idea of a global conspiracy to suppress simple treatments, now that the world is connected via the internet, is that if something really works, the truth behind it will out, via the internet and other various groups.  In such new scenarios, the big pharma. companies, will often rush to patent their own devices rather than trying to hush things up.


  I understand what you are saying in the above, and i get the relative logic which is applied.  Yet, you don't seem to be understanding a fundamental point that i'm trying to make. 

   Which is, many in the medical world who make obscene profits off of the business of disease and illness, the real PTB who because of their wealth and connections have a lot of material influence in the world, would not invest in a therapy that is extremely effective even if they could make a lot of money off it in the short term. 

  They are smart and aware enough to realize that if they want to continue to make obscene profits, they have to invest in treatments which have some helpfulness, but don't completely cure because they don't want to lose their customers and thus their profits.  We are just numbers and $ to them.  They have very little empathy let alone any attunement to PUL. 

Sounds pretty diabolical doesn't it, sounds pretty inhuman doesn't it?   

  Yet, pick someone like a Murdoch or Cheney and really tune into them.   There are more of these folks in this world than most would like to consider, and many of them are in positions of great material influence, power, and wealth, for like attracts, begets, and likes like.  They love and are addicted Mammon as crack addicts are addicted to crack and heed the attractive call of same. 

  This is why i referred to you as naive earlier, because you don't seem to see how many people like this there are involved in the world and who have a lot of material influence and say.  You, me, and the people here are the commoners. 
I'm not saying there is a grand, superbly connected conspiracy as found in some novels or movies, but there is enough greed and selfishness and secrecy as to spend plenty of time, effort, and money in keeping truly effective therapies under wraps as much as possible. 

And by under wraps, i mean non mainstream.   They know they cannot completely squash all truly effective and helpful therapies, but they can influence media, education, politics/laws/regulations, and economics enough to keep these non mainstream.   

  One such tactic is to scare people about these alternative methods, and many people, the majority by far, are more followers than truly independent thinkers or intuitives.  Many will listen to the mainstream news, magazines, etc.

   And btw, i don't ask that the conventional medical world be open to unproven homespun healers, i ask that alternative therapies simply be really considered, publicized, and tested out in a timely fashion.

   There is a big difference.  Yet, in reality there is very little funding, mainstream educations about, or testing of many, many alternative health therapies--especially here in the U.S.  Only in recent years have some even started to do studies involving herbal medicine despite that some popular drugs originally come from plants, trees, etc. and that humanity universally has been using these for thousands of years to treat illness. 

In the U.S. in particular, the sheer degree of closedmindedness and lack of attention to herbal medicine and in some cases stonewalling, is and has been ridiculous. 

  No, the PTB much prefer patentable chemical or molecular compounds made or isolated in labs.  There is much more money to made off these.   

  Yet, even in Europe which has had a more open minded approach to these, the PTB--the real money makers and decision shakers, are cracking down on these alternative therapies because they have garnered so much popularity there and people know these tend to work better than the pharmaceutical drugs and quite often with MUCH less side effects. 

    We probably could go back and forth with this for quite awhile, but there is no real point as we are coming from rather different perspectives on this and i've made most of the salient points.   This has been more for the eyes of others on the fence. 

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