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Re: A letter to an Atheist
Reply #30 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 10:45am
 
Beau wrote on Dec 6th, 2010 at 10:26am:
Perhaps I can sum it up this way: I spent the better part of my life thinking there was a Supreme power outside and beyond myself that was directing me. Now I believe I am one with that force and even that doesn't describe the closeness I feel to it.

I talk to myself and myself talks to me within the confines of my ethereal mind. I know that voice is mine ultimately. I hesitate to say it is "part" of me as it IS me as I truly exist.

My mistakes are its mistakes and it offers corrections, but many of those corrections are based on my own preconceptions and conditioning that I was born into thanks to my initial upbringing.

I learn from experience rather than following the rules, even if the rules make sense beforehand. I find that many times the rules of others for seeking a higher plane aren't what I truly believe anymore.

If you don't see source as separate from yourself then it is YOU. You are universal. We feel separate because we choose the illusion and I don't really know whether it is for growth or entertainment. Perhaps it is both.

When someone says, "God did this", I can't relate anymore. They just see the same energy or whatever differently than I do. I feel this way of looking at it is my growth rather than a rejection of something.


Very well put. Wink
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Reply #31 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 1:42pm
 
I happen to agree with Supermodel that the title and tone of the thread do single out 'atheists' in a way that is rather contrary to the spirit of this forum, which is dedicated to open-minded explorers. However it is done, to question someone else's beliefs in such a pointed way could be construed as somewhat agressive, especially if it is done in exactly the same way over and over. To repeat the same posts again and again does cause one to wonder what the 'agenda' is. It is also true that this site has visitors which occasionally make deliberate attacks on others' beliefs in God....or whatever they believe in. On a forum such as this I have found that no one is 'safe' from being questioned here.

What seems to me to be most important is how we treat each other. It is highly unlikely that anyone will be 'argued' into believing in the 'God' of another's belief system -- and how would anyone prove that anyway?

Whatever 'God' you believe in is your choice. As it should be.
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Reply #32 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 2:00pm
 
I have read through the thread, and I have not seen anyone proseltyzing one brand of religion, or one "true path," or condemning anyone.

Theism does not presuppose an agenda.  This is exactly my point in past posts.  Are there theists who tell you its their way or a hell?  Sure.  And they are full of it, and should be ignored.  But this represents a small number of people who are genuinely good and believe in God.

No, though I dislike the title to the thread as well, I see it as an interesting topic of discussion.  Theist or atheist, it shouldn't matter - as long as the discourse is civil, and all are entitled to their points of view, no one should be offended here.


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Reply #33 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 2:15pm
 
It WAS an interesting topic some threads ago. I think its great to discuss and even to discuss discussing, but some threads do get kinda one note when its the same thing over and over. "A Letter to an Atheist" has been covered before under the same title.

I only speak up on a thread like this so that someone coming here for the first time doesn't think everyone holds the opinion of the thread creator.
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Reply #34 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 2:40pm
 
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I happen to agree with Supermodel that the title and tone of the thread do single out 'atheists' in a way that is rather contrary to the spirit of this forum, which is dedicated to open-minded explorers. However it is done, to question someone else's beliefs in such a pointed way could be construed as somewhat agressive, especially if it is done in exactly the same way over and over. To repeat the same posts again and again does cause one to wonder what the 'agenda' is. It is also true that this site has visitors which occasionally make deliberate attacks on others' beliefs in God....or whatever they believe in. On a forum such as this I have found that no one is 'safe' from being questioned here.

What seems to me to be most important is how we treat each other. It is highly unlikely that anyone will be 'argued' into believing in the 'God' of another's belief system -- and how would anyone prove that anyway?

Whatever 'God' you believe in is your choice. As it should be.



I truly agree. It's getting old.
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Reply #35 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 2:41pm
 
I wouldn't mind this topic if it were discussing the relationship of belief in god and belief in afterlife.  Is one necessary for the other?  Supermodel had some good thoughts on this, maybe Alan could provide his.  My two cents.
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Reply #36 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 2:44pm
 
DocM wrote on Dec 6th, 2010 at 2:00pm:
I have read through the thread, and I have not seen anyone proselytizing one brand of religion, or one "true path," or condemning anyone.

Theism does not presuppose an agenda.  This is exactly my point in past posts.  Are there theists who tell you its their way or a hell?  Sure.  And they are full of it, and should be ignored.  But this represents a small number of people who are genuinely good and believe in God.

No, though I dislike the title to the thread as well, I see it as an interesting topic of discussion.  Theist or atheist, it shouldn't matter - as long as the discourse is civil, and all are entitled to their points of view, no one should be offended here.


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I'm offended by the title which was my point Doc. The discussion is civil but like B2 stated it singles a group of people out. I don't come here to talk about atheism.

But if someone makes a thread about it, I'm going to speak on it. Like if someone made a thread about black people or women or people who live in Indiana.

Don't single out a group of people and we're all good.
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Reply #37 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 2:55pm
 
So then what is the purpose of the thread?

To convert atheists to believe in a creator? To make atheists reconsider their position? Before I became an atheist, I considered everything and it was a big decision for me as it is for a lot of atheists/agnostics.

It was something I didn't take lightly.

"Is there a reason for living that goes beyond that of our earthly mortal life on earth? I say there is, how you can be so sure that there beyond life. Why not just try to consider that there just might be a god. "

I happen to be an atheist that believes in an afterlife or I wouldn't be here. To assume atheists believe the same thing is ridiculous. Atheism only means you don't believe in a god/gods.

That's it. It makes no other statement, theories, or has a belief system behind it.

And I still don't get the purpose. Maybe Alan would care to explain it.
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Reply #38 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 2:22am
 
I just recently read an article called "Fifty Years on the Razor's Edge" about Huston Smith, now 90 years old, who wrote "The Religions of Man", later called "The World's Religions".  A fascinating look at an amazing man who was good friends with many equally amazing people.  But the quote I liked the best was from Huston Smith about Aldous Huxley, who was his friend for 35 years:  "One of the last things he said to me was, 'It's a little embarrassing to have spent one's entire life pondering the human situation and find oneself in the end with nothing more profound to say than try to be a little nicer.'"
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Reply #39 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 7:42am
 
Hi I am aware that this very topic has been discussed on the forum before, but in the light of new members they might be interested in discussing the pros and cons of Atheism and Theism from their own point of view.

I simple can’t fathom why any one would think I am trying to convert any one to my belief system. I am not religious, do not belong to any church or religious cult and indeed I dislike some of them intensely. If fact I despise exclusive fundamentalism who inform people outside their belief system are destined to burn in hell forever

I concur in the absolute with what Doc (Matthew) has written

If you read my letter, again, which I wrote to my brother Roger who lives in Australia, who is a ridged atheist and dismissed the whole letter, stating beyond this mortal life there is absolutely no meaning in our existence

I a rational Theist, and there you have it

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Reply #40 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 9:01am
 
Then why not just post a thread on the Pros and cons of atheism and theism instead of a letter addressing atheists?

And your post makes no mention that you wrote this letter to someone else. Even though I swear I've read that somewhere else....I could be wrong....anywho...

You didn't make those distinctions up front. So it looks like you want to single atheists out especially since it's been posted before.

May not have been your intention but that's how its coming off.

I need some PUL....be back.... Undecided

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Reply #41 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 9:32am
 
Supermodel, you are not the only atheist believing in an afterlife, so take heart. I personally do not believe in a "human-like entity" God either. If we are talking about the great conscoiusness that may drive the universe, that is another matter.

Theism and Atheism are two viable theories depending on which arguments you give more weight.
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Reply #42 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 9:38am
 
It appears to me that this forum belongs to Bruce Moen. Personally, I think that repeating posts such as this is on the verge of monopolising the space that he has provided for all. There are lots of posts from 'the past' which deserve attention, if anyone wants to take a look. That is their choice. Occasionally, they are brought forward, out of interest. I don't 'run' this forum, so it is just my opinion, but it seems to me that it defeats the purpose of the forum that Bruce has established to put a 'spotlight' on discussions of this nature. As a matter of fact, it may harm him, as many people are actually 'put off' by such topics. They can find them anywhere. In fact, I believe this sort of topic, as well as the resultant disagreements, were cited as a reason that he lost a professional opportunity to expand his message to a larger audience a few years ago. I think that's a shame, since his message has been one of interest to many people for many years now.

Bruce's website offers something a little different. It promotes an 'imagination' method of exploring 'unseen' worlds. I feel that focusing on those types of subjects better serve his purpose.
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Reply #43 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 1:16pm
 
If 'I am" is everything then why must it be the almighty one. That seems to me very odd. Do you see that a god that claims superiority over itself makes no sense. At least it doesn't to me. I can't get behind it. I think it humanizes this god which makes it even less likely that this god is the all that is. My two cents.
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Reply #44 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 11:26pm
 
I think that I am getting all this negative flack because I titled this thread as a statement rather than a question.

Thus "A letter to an atheist" should have read "are you an atheist?" or something along those lines

Sorry guys I will try to behave myself in future!!

But to suggest that I am somehow monopolizing the forum is simply nonsense

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