My feeling is that Frank got very ill, never recovered and left the Internet.

recoverer wrote on Nov 20^th, 2010 at 3:27pm:


The Robert Bruce version is true and here is why:

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Frank then changed tact and began to say that clairvoyance was an unnecessary skill. He claimed that though he could not separate an astral double he could phase in the Robert Monroe internal method . Only he had no journal or experiences to report . And Frank insisted that Mysticism did not exist . He called my path imaginary . He laughed at angels and God and ghosts saying that they did not exist either .[/b]

When I read the Kepple stuff I was puzzled by the above, now, I know why he said all these things… he couldn’t DO them… I wondered why he seemed to be sailing close to the Monroe/Moen wind… he even praised both Monroe and Moen… but he was a clever plagiarizer… I, also, wondered why he changed the Monroe focus designations… now I know, he did it to cover his tracks… he was pulling the usual trick… big companies do to avoid paying royalties to the real inventor… change the size of a bolt… change the cosmetic look of the product… no wonder I was responding to his stuff… it was warmed over Monroe and Moen…

This is really great to get this sorted out… we are indebted to you recoverer… that was a great find…

The illness death thing was … just a variation on ‘the dog ate my homework’

Outstanding!!!!

S.

Pat: OOPS I MEANT GINNY! ...sorry.

Tom Campbell says he can do it, but he is careful to never give specific details about what he encounters so as not to influence another's experience. Campbell says you can choose to create a body just as one does for dreams or you can exist without one. For him he says it's simply a choice.

But enough about Frank ..lol. Is this Adrian the same guy who puts together the Ultimate Reality newsletter each week and the book? He is kind of pompous so I thought it might be the same guy.

Beau

  I don't know anything about Frank Kepple, or even the Astro-pulse site (i never had any interest whatsoever in Robert Bruce's work, for whatever reason), so i am just talking very generally here. 

  Having read Monroe's first biography, and some Cayce biographies, i was struck by the amount of insincere and unreliable people that both these guys ran into, and how often both were promised this or that, and were basically used for their abilities, status-connections, etc. 

  Monroe having been in the business world for a long time prior to the "consciousness" world, commented wryly that he had been more used and let down by the consciousness folks than had been by the hardline business folks of New York, etc. 

  Maybe not more per se, but he just didn't expect it with the folks in the consciousness world; he expected them to have more integrity, more sense of responsibility...   So he felt more betrayed and let down when it came to these folks when he got screwed over or let down. 

  There is all kinds of fraud all over the place in connection with the New Age world.  It's not necessarily a more honest, ethical, high minded, arena. 

   I trust Bruce, Recoverer, (& some others) because i've gotten good messages from guidance about them.

  But, sometimes it's an important part of our path to get temporarily bamboozled as part of a deeper learning/awakening experience, or to balance something, so good can come even of that though it's good universal advice to keep ones eyes and intuition wide open when navigating the New age and Consciousness world.

Ginny wrote on Nov 20^th, 2010 at 8:25pm:


Hmm..

Could it be that Frank's illness was more than physical? Bad sarcasm and rudeness, at least to me, it's a kind of indication that it could be mental illness, which also could explain Frank's withdrawal, as someone might want to avoid others completely.

When people manage to OBE/AP they seem to become more humble over time.


Ginny wrote on Nov 20^th, 2010 at 8:25pm:


Uhh... Isn't it possible use all physical senses in all afterlife locations? I've never OBEd or APed, but I've had at least one LD where I could feel my hands, so something similar to tactile physical sense was present (and sight of course). But I don't know anything about those other senses (smell, taste, perhaps hearing). I tried to speak once in an LD, but it all came out as muffled sound.

One thing that makes me a little doubtful of Frank's knowledge, is that he didn't really think of PUL as some kind of love energy. If he had experienced PUL he should have recognized the love part of it, I would expect. (My reference about this PUL objection of Frank is from the AP site, where "Gandalf" has set together a Frank page.)

Seraphis1,

The nail on the head is talking about pure & unconditinal love while talking behind someone's back, ill, charlatan or somewhere in between aside. I noticed cracks while going through his material, but found some useful items. As with cake, don't have to eat the whole cake, or even anything at all. It's not like his or any other material is THE way. It's merely his or others ways, inspirational or not as their ways might be. IF (I don't know) he's any degree of a fraud, at the very least he's given addicts of the ideas of unconditional this and that food for thought.

PauliEffectt,

"Could it be that Frank's illness was more than physical? Bad sarcasm and rudeness, at least to me, it's a kind of indication that it could be mental illness, which also could explain Frank's withdrawal, as someone might want to avoid others completely."

Could it be that you're making an a**umption? - Bad sarcasm, but the rudeness of the word is taken away. Could indicate semi-mental illness, and.. could indicate something else, but nevermind. Would you be interested in buying my book? It's just 300 bamboozle dollars. If you pay but don't receive, you'll get to carry the cross of victimhood, for free, with bonus sympathy energy from your friends for making a poor decision.

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Well I'm not sure about mental illness I think it could simply be a matter of lost in translation i.e. English and American humour being very different. A lot of sarcastic English humour can be misconstrued simply as rude but really the person may just have a very dry sense of humour.

From reading his posts I recognise his humour. It is quintessentially English. Not everyone likes it. Not everyone gets it.

For me what it comes down to is this...Has Frank Kepples work aided my own consciousness development?

The answer is YES so for me nothing else really matters because I never knew him personally. For those people that may have had issues with him it is not my place to comment but I don't think his writing can be questioned. He helped many people over the years and I think it's doing him something of a disservice to question the validity of his writing.

I personally think it's slightly naive to discount his entire body of work simply because second hand evidence has surfaced regarding a hoax. Who can vouch for the credibility of this new information?

Hypothetically speaking, even if he was a rude man who conned people does that mean his work should be shunned? Still holds the same resonance for me.