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Re:Frank Kepple!
Nov 18th, 2010 at 1:34pm
 
Hi All: I may be largely be responsible for putting folks on this forum on to Frank Kepple... I just got information that he may be a hoaxster... the brits have a nasty little quirk they love hoaxing the world... this may be one of them... check everything out... I would avoid his stuff tho...

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Reply #1 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 2:06pm
 
In order for what he says to be a hoax, the information needs to be false.  I have read quite a bit of Kepple's ideas about the greater reality, and for the most part they seem pretty accurate and correlate with what other explorers of consciousness have found, especially Monroe, and including myself.  I think it is irresponsible to tell people to "avoid his stuff" without at least siting some valid reasons as to why he is a "hoaxster."
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Reply #2 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 2:39pm
 
I think, Seraphi, you should simply state what came to your attention that might implicate him as a hoaxster. 

As with any potential hoax or fraud, either it is or it isn't real.  OOB Dude states that since the writings seem to make sense from his own explorations and Monroe, then it shouldn't be fraud.  Of course it still either is or isn't.  We have had discussions like this about the Seth material before.  Some say that even if the author is "making things up," that they take meaning from the work.

Most of us however, want to know the "low down," about whether deliberate fraud is show through some sort of evidence of knowledge.
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Reply #3 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 3:04pm
 
I Am Dude wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 2:06pm:
In order for what he says to be a hoax, the information needs to be false.  I have read quite a bit of Kepple's ideas about the greater reality, and for the most part they seem pretty accurate and correlate with what other explorers of consciousness have found, especially Monroe, and including myself.  I think it is irresponsible to tell people to "avoid his stuff" without at least siting some valid reasons as to why he is a "hoaxster."    


Hi Dude: Nice hearing from you again... yeah that's because he very adroitly hewed close to the Monrovian wind and he seems to have used Moen as well to weave his alledged elaborate hoax.

Here is the information I have... he collected money and it doesn't seem to be a lot of money for some project... that's when he conveniently disappeared... the most plausible theory is that he would not be able to sustain the hoax indefinitely when it came to time to really put leather to the road... so he just gave it up and walked away... The English Piltdown hoax could have been uncovered almost immediately with a litte forensic investigation... but no one under took to investigate it thoroughly...


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Reply #4 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 7:37pm
 
Seraphis, sorry but what you tell doesn't sound very substantial. I've not only read the summary of his researches, which I can partly confirm, but as well a long forum thread posting, and I had not the slightest doubt that what he was telling was nothing but his own experience. Of course, I can be wrong. But rumours aren't really a source of serious information.

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Reply #5 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 7:42pm
 
I heard he was extremely ill like near death. That was several months ago. I think I saw it on the astral pulse site.
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Reply #6 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 7:44pm
 
spooky2 wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 7:37pm:
Seraphis, sorry but what you tell doesn't sound very substantial. I've not only read the summary of his researches, which I can partly confirm, but as well a long forum thread posting, and I had not the slightest doubt that what he was telling was nothing but his own experience. Of course, I can be wrong. But rumours aren't really a source of serious information.

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Hi spooky: They are not rumors... two people who sent money and never got it back reported this when the subject came up... I am just trying to clean up a mess I created... I did qualify the statement... nothing is absolutely certain... but, I made a mistake I believe... my advice is to error on the side of caution... trying to test his stuff may be a big jolly waste of time..

It is up to each of us to test and verify... I made a mistake I believe... all I can do is admit it...
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Reply #7 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:03pm
 
Seraphis1:

I think it's great that you want to take responsibility for your actions. It would help if you had something more concrete to say, because we don't have enough information to decide one way or the other.
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Reply #8 - Nov 19th, 2010 at 1:09am
 
Like Beau, I heard reports that he is gravely ill--to ill to post on Astralpulse or Astral Dynamics any more.  So a surrogate created a blog to summarize his findings.  I have read many of Frank's retrieval claims over the years.  His retrieval reports are far too cartoony.  They either lacked any verifications or the verifications were too weak to be meaningful.  Precisely for that reason, I think Frank was sharing his own astral experiences.  A hoakster would presumably make up unambiguous verifications!
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Reply #9 - Nov 19th, 2010 at 2:17pm
 
This is an old topic that has been raised on the astral pulse before. It held no weight then and I still don't think it does.

There's no logic to this theory...let me get this straight...

He spends maybe 8 years posting over 3000 comments on the Astral Pulse and generating a mass following...

...he writes a book which he hopes to publish( and I'm sure based on his posts it would have been very good)

...and yet rather than doing it legitimately through a publisher he takes money from 2 people giving them hollow promises then disappears. Not a very good financial return for all those years of effort and apparent deception.

Doesn't add up for me. Isn't it more likely that he simply died before he got to send these people anything?


n.b. Not too keen on your sweeping generalisation about English people being hoaxsters either. There are 60 million of us over here. I would like to think perhaps a few of us are trustworthy.
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Reply #10 - Nov 19th, 2010 at 5:02pm
 
floriferous wrote on Nov 19th, 2010 at 2:17pm:
This is an old topic that has been raised on the astral pulse before. It held no weight then and I still don't think it does.

There's no logic to this theory...let me get this straight...

He spends maybe 8 years posting over 3000 comments on the Astral Pulse and generating a mass following...

...he writes a book which he hopes to publish( and I'm sure based on his posts it would have been very good)

...and yet rather than doing it legitimately through a publisher he takes money from 2 people giving them hollow promises then disappears. Not a very good financial return for all those years of effort and apparent deception.

Doesn't add up for me. Isn't it more likely that he simply died before he got to send these people anything?


That puzzled me as well… I think it was more than two people tho only two seemed to come out of the woodwork but one was quite significant… a moderator of the pulse… but, why not have the fiduciary straighten it all out…?? How hard would that have been… I have only speculation… which I won’t go into…



floriferous wrote on Nov 19th, 2010 at 2:17pm:
n.b. Not too keen on your sweeping generalisation about English people being hoaxsters either. There are 60 million of us over here. I would like to think perhaps a few of us are trustworthy.


I don’t think I said ALL… I think I said a ‘quirk’ peculiar to a subset… the piltdown hoax, the girls who faked the pictures of the fairies and a host of others...

[/b] A History of British Media Hoaxes

In light of the recent media hoax where "The Daily Mirror" published fake photographs of British soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners, "The Guardian" has written a short blurb on famous British media hoaxes.

Source: media.guardian.co.uk[/b]


I don’t think I said ALL… I think I said a quirk… but there was a good hoax against Hitler with the dead soldier who washed up on the Belgien (??) shore which gave the plan to attack at Calais… that one thing was responsible for the allied victory at Normandy… so hoaxes are not all bad…

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Reply #11 - Nov 20th, 2010 at 2:05am
 
Seraphis, you are being very mysterious about all this.  You introduced Frank Kepple to this forum not long ago (perhaps for the first time, though I can't say for sure).  How did you find out about him originally?  What made you think he had something worthwhile to say?

I followed some of the links you provided and printed and read much of the material.  It mostly seemed consistent with Monroe and Moen.  I haven't tried his specific techniques but they looked worth trying.

I haven't spent a lot of time on Astral Pulse, but Kepple seemed to have just disappeared from there a few years ago with a few posts I saw speculating that he had died.  If he actually died, that hardly seems a hoax, even if he left not having fulfilled whatever mysterious promises he made (or at least mysterious from your posts).

Having introduced him and now trashing him with no real explanation of your reasons for either, I think you owe us a more complete explanation of both ends, i.e why you were attracted and why you now think he's a "hoaxster".
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Reply #12 - Nov 20th, 2010 at 2:11am
 
Oh, and Seraphis, why does someone being the moderator of the Pulse make him (or her) "quite significant".  Does being such a moderator give one special status?

If it's this Adrian dude you are referring to, I have questions about him.  Once I signed up for the Astral Pulse newsletter, I started getting these emails that seemed very self-aggrandizing and self-promotional to me.  I haven't read all the chapters from his apparently voluminous book that he sent me, so maybe he really does have the answers to all the mysteries of the world.
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Reply #13 - Nov 20th, 2010 at 2:40am
 
Pat E. wrote on Nov 20th, 2010 at 2:11am:
Oh, and Seraphis, why does someone being the moderator of the Pulse make him (or her) "quite significant".  Does being such a moderator give one special status?

If it's this Adrian dude you are referring to, I have questions about him.  Once I signed up for the Astral Pulse newsletter, I started getting these emails that seemed very self-aggrandizing and self-promotional to me.  I haven't read all the chapters from his apparently voluminous book that he sent me, so maybe he really does have the answers to all the mysteries of the world.


It was Naykid... I had private communcations with her... she seemed quite a sincere seeker with few pretentions and a lot of enthusiam for the work.. never had contact with Adrian. Anyone who donates time to these things have inside information that generally the rest of us are not privy too...

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Reply #14 - Nov 20th, 2010 at 2:53am
 
Pat E. wrote on Nov 20th, 2010 at 2:05am:
Seraphis, you are being very mysterious about all this.  You introduced Frank Kepple to this forum not long ago (perhaps for the first time, though I can't say for sure).  How did you find out about him originally?  What made you think he had something worthwhile to say?


Hi Pat: I was put on to him on the Monroe site… when I read his stuff it blew me away to say the least… but then the Astral Pulse people began to come out of the wood work when I asked them (he posted there exclusively) what happened to him… I was shocked to hear the story of his disappearance with the money…

S.

Pat E. wrote on Nov 20th, 2010 at 2:05am:
I followed some of the links you provided and printed and read much of the material.  It mostly seemed consistent with Monroe and Moen.  I haven't tried his specific techniques but they looked worth trying.


That may be the problem it is too good to be true… but remember I am not trashing him per se… I am only warning you about the situation… and that caution with his stuff may be in order… you could waste a lot of time attempting to duplicate or prove something that just MAY be bogus… that is all I am saying… proceed at your own discretion… but I have better things to do with my time and efforts…


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