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Aug 22nd, 2010 at 1:43pm
 
Some other author uses the term RTZ to describe the physical world while in OBE, because of reality fluctuations observed by an OBE person. This makes the OBE reality slightly different from the physical world, compared to viewing the world from the physical body.

I thus assume that the Focus you end up in, while in OBE, is _not_ C1, right? I've seen people ask this question on the TMI Forum, but no official response has been given, so now I ask it here:

In terms of the Monroe Focus levels, in what Focus do you end up in, when you OBE to the physical world?
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Reply #1 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:53pm
 
It is my belief and understanding that you can have an OBE and be focused anywhere.  You can be focused in physical reality or nonphysical reality, and anywhere in any of those places. 

To be "out of body" is merely focusing your own conscious awareness in any area of consciousness. 

So to answer your question:   <<In terms of the Monroe Focus levels, in what Focus do you end up in, when you OBE to the physical world? >>

In terms of Monroe Focus levels, if you have an OBE "to the physical world" you'd be considered in C1.  Now, whether you are actually there is to be determined by some evidence that you could later verify to be true.  Otherwise, you may just believe you are having an OBE in C1 but that may be nothing more than your interpretation of what's real. 

You said, <<This makes the OBE reality slightly different from the physical world, compared to viewing the world from the physical body.>>

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.  To me, there is no such thing as "OBE reality".   When you have an out of body experience, you are not literally going to a place.  You are merely projecting your conscious awareness to an area of consciousness anywhere in Consciousness.  Your experience of what you perceive while "out of body" is based on your interpretation of what and how you perceive things. 

I do agree that viewing the physical world from a physical body standpoint is different from viewing the physical world from an out of body standpoint, yes.  There may be very similar things but there will also be big differences, and it is all based on our interpretations.  When we perceive nonphysically, we are able to perceive and experience things we don't normally see while focused in physical waking consciousness. 

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Reply #2 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 10:26pm
 
It seems to me, from my very limited exploration and once-only what I would call OBE, that there are different levels or different ways of being OBE, probably because the physical body is not real in the old fashioned Newtonian material sense anyway. I would like to become skilled at leaving my "physical" container and moving with the consciousness of a different body to somewhere else. I have succeeded only once in doing this and it was such a surprise I did not use it as I would have liked to. I used the vibration method, letting my body shake for quite some time and suddenly and unexpectedly found myself in what seemed like a clear jelly-like body standing out on the sidewalk outside my house looking at a neighbor's front door. It was so startling that of course I shot right back into the physical and now I can't seem to be serious enough about it all to do the hard work of shaking again. I am buying Gerald O'Donnell's two sets of DVD's or CD's he is selling online and I hope to find an easier way to escape the confines of this layer of containment. That's what I call OBE, but I know what you are saying, Vicky, I have in the past done holographic past life readings and found myself in many strange and amazing places doing very interesting things, much more interesting than my own life sometimes, and experiencing the moods and feelings of my client in a past life scenario. I guess that is OBE'ing too. Actually very addictive, that last kind of OBE. Enjoying your amazing book, can recommend it to everyone on the forum. A lot of hard work went into it, I can see. Vee
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Reply #3 - Aug 30th, 2010 at 6:44pm
 
Hi Vee,

Thanks for your compliments of my book, glad you are enjoying it!

About OBEs, I agree there are many kinds and different ways.  I've had quite a few different kinds and probably hundreds, and frankly I enjoy them all.  I just enjoy the experience and what's to be learned from each.  Sometimes they come easy for me and other times I get frustrated with it. 

There's a special kind I get that I call a "high spiritual OBE".  (From reading my book you can see that I like to name things...makes it easy to distinguish between things).  And that type of OBE is one that I cannot force or will it to happen, as it's a meeting between me and another person's higher self and the few times I've experienced it, I was always invited there.  It's a gift from that person's higher self, and my Guidance is always there and makes it known to me.  I don't know where you are in my book, but "The Gift" story is one of these types of OBEs. 

There's so much I could say about it, but I feel like I'm still learning and figuring things out about it, so I'm still not completely certain I understand all the dynamics of it.  I'm asking my Guidance to help facilitate another one, but so far haven't gotten that request answered.  I don't know how it works!  The last OBE like this was last September.

Anyway, I'm rambling.  You got me going!  OBEs are probably my most beloved topic. 

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Reply #4 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 6:15pm
 
Hi, PauliEffect probably alludes to Robert Bruce, who made an interesting observation: A part of a RTZ OBE is just this, it's like it is when you're in your physical body, but there are differences, modifications which are coming from the own (mostly subconscious) imagination, which becomes outside-reality, and as well overlays from other realities which one is open to. Actually, I would say the only way to perceive the pure physical world is to be 100% in your physical body, which means, when I consider Vicky's profound take, to be as much focused on the physical aspect of the "universal mind" as possible; but we're almost never focused 100% on the physical even when we're in our bodies.

Now, when we have an OBE, we definitely aren't fully focused on the physical, and that's why what we perceive then isn't the same as the physical- although it can be quite close.

In the TMI system isn't really a focus level for RTZ OBEs. I'd say the best fitting Focus Level for a RTZ OBE is Focus 10.

Focus 21 seems to correspond with the "3-D Blackness" Bruce refers to (and Kepple), which is a sort of universal connection and/or traveling place, I had very similar experiences with it.

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Reply #5 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 7:26pm
 
Hi Spooky. Have you experienced the place I go to when I am settling into relaxation and traveling, it is kind of like black and red all roiling around together, much like making fudge, and watching the butter and chocolate all melting into each other while you stir with a wooden spoon. Only it's black and red and a great feeling of mental numbness comes with it, it's a nice feeling and is the beginning of getting to the state I am trying to get into at that point. I don't see people referring to it often, I think someone mentioned it once. Vee
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Reply #6 - Nov 30th, 2010 at 5:30pm
 
Hi Vee, I'm a little bit late  Cheesy , sorry.
No, not really, sometimes though I see similar images, and that's when I, during the initial relaxation time, focus on my physical view, then such patterns as you desribe can occur. Typically, I remove my focus in order to see with my mind's eye during my phasing. Interestingly, I had it one or two times, when I kept on focusing on my physical view while relaxing more and more, I began to develop a sight like in the physical, seeing landscapes and one time it was almost like an OBE, while normally in my phasing trips the perception is like daydreaming.

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Reply #7 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 1:04am
 
Thank you Spooky, there are similarities but differences in each state every one describes! I think eventually we may have an actual vocabulary for all these states, but maybe not. Maybe each one's experience is really individual but I wonder what in the brain (or mind) makes such a difference in description for each person. It sure is a mystery. Vee
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Reply #8 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 7:27am
 
Spooky wrote:

"but we're almost never focused 100% on the physical even when we're in our bodies."

Yeah it seems to me, for myself, that I am always in some sort of way inside my own head. So what is an example of 100% focused on the physical? Extreme pain or pleasure or extremes of emotions can make one focus on one thing so much that it seems like 100%, but sometimes I find that little analyzer in my head still running. Is that 100% focus, when the analyzer still tales to itself? Sometimes danger makes one focus 100%.

So for the rest of the time, is my conciousness attention broken up in different %'s? And what are those other things I am focusing on in that multitasking sort of way?

And do things from beyond C1 leak into my conciousness while I am purportedly focused in the physical?

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Reply #9 - Apr 26th, 2011 at 7:34am
 
Hello, all.

I have not found the "Focus model" to be useful in mapping where you are when it comes to nonphysical reality, at least not the foci below 22. The model identifies several states of consciousness, but below Focus 22 it doesn't really pinpoint "places" while focus 22 or above are described as places with recognisable purpose (afterlife Belief System Territories, for example).

They are more useful as measures of depth of trance you experience at a point. C1 is your general state of mind while physically awake. Focus 10 is a light trance, and this gets progressively deeper towards Focus 21. Already in Focus 12 I experienced for example strange distortions of my sense of time, but not necessarily what I would register as a full-blown OBE.

Focus 22 and above are probably the astral and mental planes of other belief systems or models of nonphysical reality (like theosophy). The locations their descriptions relate to seem to indicate that in my opinion.

@Lucy: An example of being totally focussed in the physical body would be during a very conscious Tai Chi session. If the mind stays on task and the movements are done with precision and while maintaining awareness, this maintains probably most of your focus in physical waking reality. I would call that "meditation in motion" as the purpose of many mindfulness meditations is to focus you strongly on whatever you are experiencing at any moment.

Contrast this with habitual thought. You may think about one thing, then about the next, some memory pops into your mind, you remember somebody who upset you the day before, you get angry again, you repeat part of the argument in your mind and think about what you would say to them...

If you did this while walking through the countryside and somebody stopped you and asked you what you saw you might not remember very much when thinking back! Happens to me whenever I am giving in to my thinking habits. That's more like the mind on autopilot, interacting with itself. The focus of your conscious mind is not in the physical reality right in front of you, but somewhere else.

"Where" the other % are going when not focussed on the present is up for discussion. I personally would say that stuff from all states of consciousness available to your being leak into your C1 awareness all the time, but it heavily depends on your own state of mind what "leaks in" or what you become consciously aware of, what comes in as feelings, sensations, moods, intuitive knowings, etc.
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Reply #10 - Apr 27th, 2011 at 6:18am
 
spooky2 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 6:15pm:
In the TMI system isn't really a focus level for RTZ OBEs. I'd say the best fitting Focus Level for a RTZ OBE is Focus 10.

Yes, F 10 is the most probable entry point into the RTZ. Since I wrote my original post I've learnt that the Focus Levels correspond to specific brain wave patterns, primarily. The Monroe interpretation is that those brain-wave-patterns/Focus-Levels correspond to certain "places".

I also think I watched a youtube clip from TMI where a woman had been in F 10 and afterwards described her OBE experience, where she had flied over the building. So yes, RTZ OBE seems to be connected to the F 10 state.

I wonder why this connection between F 10 & RTZ was so poorly stated by Monroe? Could it be because F 10 also covers other "places" than the RTZ?


spooky2 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 6:15pm:
Focus 21 seems to correspond with the "3-D Blackness" Bruce refers to (and Kepple), which is a sort of universal connection and/or traveling place, I had very similar experiences with it.

Set aside that some people think that there are several different 3-D darknesses, and not all 3-D darknesses are in F 21, what do you mean by the last part? The "very similar experiences"? What is that?
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Reply #11 - Apr 27th, 2011 at 6:22am
 
Vicky wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:53pm:
You said, <<This makes the OBE reality slightly different from the physical world, compared to viewing the world from the physical body.>>

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.


I was referring to something like the Alice-In-Wonderland-Effect, named by RB and described at some places by Monroe in his books. For example the well known kitchen table scene, where Monroe in RTZ OBE observes a woman handing out big "playing cards" to people, which proves to be mail envelopes in C-1.
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