hehehehe Matter doesn't exist either.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread456806/pg1

Read some OBEs from this site:http://www.nderf.org/
This has helped my sister a great deal, as our mother was quite ill and at death's door. My sister had a difficult time to accept that Mama could die at any time now (still holding on, but her gall bladder could expolde at any time).  After reading some true accounts of NDE's (near death experiences) my sister was more at ease.
There will come a day when OBE's will be scientifically proven--- and seen with the use of brain waves/and or body temperature hot spot readings.  The hemi-sync method has already been "proven" with brain wave activity being monitored.
It is currently subjective.  Carl Sagan tried to disprove anything that he couldn't "prove" with scientific accuracy.  I often wonder if he will "come back" and show us his proof, NOW.
Love Carol Ann

Well, I am willing to give it a real shot here. I really think I need the hemi-sync or binaural beats though, and I don't have money for it right now.

I am currently working 12 hour days struggling to support me and my wife which lost her third job now.... - yeah.. it sucks.


So I really want to make this happen, seriously.

I will of course keep a notebook by the bed at all times and attempt to set aside a half hour for meditation. Still, I think it will be hard to achieve anything without the audio assistance..?

Thanks Justin, sounds like it would be a bit too much trouble for you though. I hear you about it being hard, I am not in the negative but I sure am close all of the time. I could download hem-sync mp3's but I read that since it's a lossy format it would lose it's effectiveness. Not sure how accurate that is. I mean, an mp3 encoded at 128 kbps has a noticeable (to my ears) downgrade in quality. But once you encode the mp3 to about 192 kbps I stop being able to notice any loss in sound quality.

For left, right, and middle brain seekers - sometimes it is a matter of redefining the questions to find more proper answers. It is not the question "how do you prove it", but "what do you prove" doing your experiment. The "what do you prove" answer is divided in two sections: 1) experiment (concrete settings, concrete results), 2) conclusions (including assumptions). From that point - you may begin to create a wider model of whatever. If you focus only on one direction, you always end on one pole, having polarized opponents on the other side of your topic.

Modern internet and remote operations - as an explanation of  OBEs - are a good example to show the complexity of this and other subjects. All you can prove are the correlations between nodes of a topological network. Does the OBE exist - sure, "somehow" exists. But what really IS the OBE, that you are trying to prove? Is the virtual reality (similarize the internet to other wirtual realities like emotional ones, mental ones and so forth) real? Sure it is, but in which way?

When you redefine your strategy of thinking, you can focus on other directions. If you ask for the "general sense of life", the answer will be probably some nonsense if there will be any answer. But if you change your question, if you just ask for the "sense of your own private portion life" - then - you'll find everything. "What kind of skills do you require instead of your outdated imagination of OBE"? To get answers without physical connection (that I know in everyday life), to get colorful inner experiences, to get shared experiences with other people, and so on and so forth.

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