Vicky
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I like Beau's descriptions and analogies.
And Matthew I agree with you and enjoy the way you formulate your posts. You say what I want to say but more eloquently and intelligently.
Yes, no amount of scientific proof will be good enough for everybody, and there will always be something you can poke a hole into and then you are back to looking for more scientific proof. Ultimately the focus of the experiment becomes more on the physical science and equipment than it does on the true heart of the experiment.
I agree too with Bruce...always saying that his method is easy for anyone to learn and it gives you the kind of proof you need and are looking for, without losing focus on what's important.
To further that, I can add my own findings. I'm always working on improving my psychic abilities and recently have been having tremendous results. What I'm also finding is that I truely believe in what they say, that we all have psychic ability and that we all can learn to use it. Like Bruce says of his afterlife contact method...anyone can learn and use it.
Same with OBEs, anyone can learn to do them but of course the will and desire have to be there. I obviously would not condone anyone trying to prove they themselves can have a NDE, although I'm playful enough to always joke that if I could survive with no damaging effects, I would love to get struck by lightning, die, and then come back to tell what I experienced. I wouldn't even care if no one really believed me because I know that I trust my own consciousness about what I experience. I've had countless OBEs with incredible proof of things I had no normal means of knowing, yet they were not "scientifically" proven in a lab so no amount of what I say will satisfy those who want such rigid guidelines of what they believe proof means to them.
Science is becoming less rigid than it used to be. More and more is coming out that shows there's more to life than what we can prove scientifically. Did anyone see the recent episode of Secrets of Your Mind where the neurologist studies the brain scans of sociopathic killers? Their brains actually look different from normal brains. But when the scientist himself saw his own brain scan, he found that his brain looked like that of a sociopath. Why then is he not a murderer? Will he snap one day and become one? No. The difference between him and the murderers is that he has love. He can feel and experience, give, and receive love. He was raised in a loving family and raised his own family lovingly.
So can we scientifically prove love exists? There are certainly some ways of doing that, like showing how the body and brain respond to thoughts of love. But then again, you are dealing with thoughts, emotions, feelings, memories...all things are that nonphysical. All these things are part of consciousness, not part of the brain. There is always a conscious component playing a role, and that is what is the heart of any experiment or measurement.
So like I said, even science knows that you cannot take the mental and emotional out of the equation when you value your results. Our consciousness really is our best tool. If someone really wants to be satisfied with adequate proof, the only way to find it is to use your own conscious awareness to experience something for yourself. I can write on and on about the experiences I've had that prove to me we survive death, but there is always some component that I cannot describe to a full enough extent that would satisify everyone. There is a feeling that goes with the experience of an OBE, and no doubt it exists in NDEs too, and it's a feeling of being "not connected" to the physical. There's really no way to understand it unless you have your own experience of it.
Jehovah, I'm sorry to see you feel life is meaningless and I hope you continue to search for other ways to find satisfaction. Keep looking for other ways to prove it to yourself.
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