Alan McDougall 14/7/2007

1) Verse: 2 the Lord said to Moses take vengeance on the Midianites. In direct contrast, Jesus said, forgive those who hate you and despitefully use you. It is easy to love those that love you, but I say love those that hate you. Vengeance is mine said the lord I will recompense. However, here God appears to go against his own word and commands Moses to take vengeance.

2) Verses: 3- 6 Make war and kill said the lord. This is a direct contradiction to Gods own commandment. Thou shalt not kill. Jesus said if a man strikes you on the one cheek turn and offer him the other and not to violence.

3) Verses: 6-13 here the armies of Israel go out and destroy, spoil, burn and steal and plunder on Gods command. In addition, they slaughter all the adult males however; this is not sufficient bloodletting slaughter to please Moses or God as we read from verse 14.

In contrast, Jesus said he that lives by the sword would die by the sword. The soldiers apparently somewhat kinder and merciful than Moses spared the woman and children much to Mosses disappointment and anger

4) Verse: 14 Moses was wroth (angry) with the officers. Why? Because they had not slaughtered THE WHOLE LOT, WOMAN, CHILDREN, like they had done to the adult males.

So what is sweet kind merciful Moses proposal? Verse: 15, He says now murder all the “little boys”. In ABSOLUTE contrast Jesus said blessed are the little children for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

For goodness sake is this the same merciful loving God depicted by Jesus. No this horrific story does not end yet. Moses goes on saying.” Kill all the woman” except those that have not had "sex with a man". How on earth in those remote primitive days were the soldiers to know which woman was a virgin and which were not?.

There was definitely no gynecologist way back in 300O B.C. WERE THERE? So to me they must on Moses command raped all the woman first and then murdered those who were not virgins. Why was it necessary to rape them all? Because a woman’s age does not necessarily indicate whether a woman is a virgin or not.

5) Now if any learned rational bible scholar can tell me that this is the same father God that is the same yesterday tomorrow and forever, I am all eyes and ears waiting for a logical explanation. You know if one takes out the title God and Moses and replaces them with Hitler and Rudolf Hess, no one would question that it was the work of the evil Hitler regime. Would they?

6) Alan McDougall 13/7/2007

Also, there is a huge development between the old testament, which has a lot of "tribal history" as well as common oldtimes superstition (Jehova is often warlike and humanlike, like Zeus or Odin) and the new testament. Jesus meant to tip the Jews towards more love and tolerance. He was a love radical for his times, and even developed to a "general humanity" salvation, which was extremely radical for his times. Lastly, one just has to accept that the bible is a book that has to be interpreted in the historical context, has contradictions and is sometimes downright cruel (think of the man who throws his two daughters to the attackers to be raped and killed...and other stories like killing all the firstborn egypt children...). There are quite a few stories in the old testament, though, which are so beautiful and timeless that I am glad they are still available, Solomon`s song for example, quite a few of the psalms and the "other book of creation" which starts with "in the beginning was the word".

Well gee Alan, that isn't what they showed in the movie.   Perhaps Charleston Heston didn't want to look like a bad guy.

Seriously, according to the Bible, there are a lot of things God supposedly told Moses, for which it is hard to believe that a divine, wise and loving being would tell a person.

The conclusion is, no book is infallible, so when we consider what a book says, we have to learn to listen to our own experience, intelligence, common sense, conscience and heart, rather than the interpretations of somebody else. Especially if this somebody else tries to fear you into believing what they believe.

Alan McDougall wrote on Jul 29^th, 2010 at 7:20am:


Hi Alan: Unfortunately, you are judging two separate dispensations. The dispensation Moses led was for want of a better term a "Stage Two Mammalian Consciousness" phase in which the "Stage One Reptilian Brain" was being annhilated to create the condition for the Mammalian stage... many of those passages are symbolic... but, none the less this stage was necessary to burn out the old lower mind and make way for the next level of consciousness... and set the stage for the coming Jesus the Christ consciousness... the Christian dispensation does away with lower animal instincts... Jesus crucifies the animal ego... and gives birth to homo noeticus... we are in the stage now to evolve to homo spiritus... this is what Monroe's Gathering is all about... the final stage of evolution to the celestial.

S.

Hi Guys,

I believe if Numbers was a true reflection of what happened then it was Moses doing his own thing and hiding his own brutality behind a supposed command of God

The bible, potentially a decent source of enjoyment and warmth, when lit by fire. In the age of digital pressing the delete key won't warm the bones in the same way, but a smile and a sigh of relief is nice too, knowing one cage of the spirit was finally recognized. Up, up and away, my beautiful, my beautiful balloon/disk.

   Of all the unnecessary suffering that people have been through due to man made writings of what they say came from the mouth of God, I find collective punishment as the worst. Let's just have God and his henchman Moses tell the now free Hebrews to kill everyone in a city just because they are not the "Chosen Ones". That is one of the biggest reasons I gave up believing the Bible when I was still just a teenager.

   You're right Alan, the god of the Old Testament couldn't possibly be the same one that Jesus taught of, simply because that god was a man made construct for controlling the masses through fear, while Jesus's God is the real deal existing within all of us.

   I don't condemn all of the Old Testament though, as the Ten Commandments are divinely inspired as well as the Psalms and other good things in that multi authored book.

But Seph we are a reflection of the past, indeed we are their legacy!!

Blessings and light

Alan