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Re: Why God doesn't work for me
Reply #15 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 2:39pm

I believe a good approach is to open up to divine love and inspiration as best as you can, without preconceived ideas of what you will find, and see how things work out.

This isn't an all or nothing process, it is a matter of finding a way to do so more and more. You'll find out what God is all about when the time is right. It is a matter of being a vessel who can handle such knowledge, rather than coming to an intellectual conclusion. As usetewuz suggested with one of his posts, intellect based beliefs sometimes lead to judgmental attitudes.

If one opens up to divine inspiration, one is likely to find out that there is a level of being that is worthy of our respect, reverence, humility, gratitude, loyalty, dedication and love.

OF COURSE, fear and oppression have nothing to do with it. Just as you don't have to scare a kid into eating an ice cream cone, you don't have to scare a reasonable person into opening up to divine inspiration and fulfillment. Why would you want something that you have to be scared into accepting?

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Reply #16 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 2:42pm

usetawuz:

It sounds more like you had an issue of having your mind controlled by others. Wink

It is hard to believe that a teacher who spoke in such a way was divinely inspired.

usetawuz wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 10:19am:

Yup, Bets...I was nine and we were discussing other religions and those who don't believe as we do will not be looked upon well by God. My comment was:

"Doesn't God love all of us?"
"Yes he does."
"Then why would he punish those who don't believe as we do?"
"Because they have heard the truth and choose to deny Him."
"So my neighbors who are catholic and lutheran, are in trouble with God?"
"Yes they are."
"Then how can he love us all but not love them just because they were raised to believe differently?"
"Because they are denying God."
"Aren't we denying their God? What if we're the ones who are wrong...will God love us?"
"We believe the truth."
"Well I believe that God loves all of us."

At this point the class was silent, the teacher was seething and I was taken to my parents who were told I had an issue of faith and was no longer welcome in her class. My mom, with wide eyes, asked what I had done and I said I didn't agree that God didn't love our neighbors because they had other religions. The teacher looked at me as if I was a leper, and mom looked at her, cocked her head to say something, changed her mind and said to me, "Of course He does, dear. Let's get your sister and go home." The most valuable lesson I have learned with organized religion.

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Reply #17 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 8:04pm

Ultimately it breaks up into several possibilities:

1. God, the creator, made us and is a parent like figure as typically depicted.

2. God, the creator, made us and then abandoned us for whatever reason.

3. God, the creator, does not exist.

4. Existence itself is simply existence, there is in fact no explanation for it. This will baffle the human mind to no end, yet that is the way it is.

5. We are all a part of the Never Ending story and a kid is currently hiding out upstairs in his school reading our book.

6. Death sets the spirit free from the constraints of the body and we are able to roam free in a new type of world.

7. Dead allows the spirit to join a collective consciousness, far different then the current one. You still exist but not as an individual. (sucks IMO)

I am sure I can think of even more possibilities. Obviously the grimmest ones all involve death being the ultimate ending of YOU.

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Reply #18 - Jul 29^th, 2010 at 1:27am

Although I agree with you, rationally the end of fear itself is nothing to fear and also, that would go with option 2,3 or 4.

There are more possibilities.

1. God is a divine essence that sentient beings can feel, but not fathom at our current state of our evolution and does not work in a way humans understand. We are part of a force being that makes an experience as a physical being and will understand this as soon as we leave the physical.

2. There is no God as "Being", but there are forces (love being the ultimate force) making up the universe, which we will re-roin in energy form after our death.

3. "God" is not busy with the fate of individual beings and existence just is a complicated computer program.

I am sure we can think of more options. Personally, I believe it is either your 4 or my 1 or 2 - everything else is not consistent with the world that I can see and with logic

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Your option 7 does not seem very appealing to me either, but this is because of a strong ego. Maybe it will seem like everything you want in a few millenia

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usetawuz Senior Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 397 ne fla Gender:	Re: Why God doesn't work for me Reply #19 - Aug 4^th, 2010 at 3:22pm recoverer wrote on Jul 28^th, 2010 at 2:42pm: usetawuz: It sounds more like you had an issue of having your mind controlled by others. It is hard to believe that a teacher who spoke in such a way was divinely inspired. I don't do well with thoughtless direction...and I thought I was the one inspired!
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supermodel Senior Member Offline Posts: 250 Indiana Gender:	Re: Why God doesn't work for me Reply #20 - Aug 5^th, 2010 at 10:07am I personally do not believe in a creator either. But it's whatever. Jehovah...I personally like #5....in your list that is. I find it interesting.
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Reply #21 - Aug 5^th, 2010 at 2:15pm

We would be wise to remind ourselves that religion and God have nothing to do with each other except that religion uses our belief and in some cases fear of God for monetary gain. That is the only true connection. Money,...fear = control
I have asked for anyone to give me proof of God a few times on this forum. One man, Don, attempted to proof that by some rather small coincidences that happined to people who he knows or had been told about, proved the existence of God. I guess in a way it did. At least to him anyways. It didn't prove anything to me. But then, I dont need proof. I have found God within myself and dont need to purchase him from a church or a religion.

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Reply #22 - Aug 5^th, 2010 at 2:30pm

I have a neighbor who thinks as Jehovah does. He and I are good friends. He is a scientist, and a devout athiest. After the dinner dishes are removed, and we all sit over our wine, I try to explain to him my feelings on this subject, and he does the same for me. After an hour or so, our wives are fed up and drag us apart. We have spirited debate over the "proof" of our soul's survival (I don't even approach the existence of a God), and we each feel pity for the other because we know the other is trapped in a belief system out of which he cannot escape. He considers me weak for believing in something I cannot see and touch, and I consider him arrogant for presuming that what we cannot touch does not exist. I find myself plotting to retrieve him should he pass before I do, and imagine the look of chagrine on his face when he realizes the truth. Sadly, I'm sure he is planning nothing of the sort for me.

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Jehovah Ex Member	Re: Why God doesn't work for me Reply #23 - Aug 6^th, 2010 at 9:03pm Bardo, I just had to say that is really a cool story. I can totally relate to your scientist friend.
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