spooky2 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2010 at 7:14pm:


  Sounds like what you perceived, isn't the same thing or issue that Recoverer, my wife, and i have received  about this issue. 

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  You have recently shared some info about and from a modern day person who claims to be fully liberated.  You thought there was something to their thoughts and ideas relating to spiritual issues. 

How is that any different than someone like Recoverer and i, who have gotten direct guidance and have had experiences with a person like Yeshua who is very much still involved with this world and retrieving people? 

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  This is both personally based judgment and also a "straw man" like argument.  If one believes in and speaks well of a spiritual Master like Yeshua, btw someone Bruce speaks very well of in his books, then in their delusion or limiting patterns according to you then they will also believe in wars with E.T.'s as if the two are somehow directly related??? 

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  Well heres the thing, some very credible sources have spoken about these issues too. 

More specifically i find it very interesting that before my wife read "Cosmic Journeys" by Rosiland A. McKnight she had a very vivid dream wherein she was reborn into another body in the future.  In this future, humanity was rather different in various ways.  There was a lot less people, people on average were more consciously aware of the nonphysical, there wasn't much pollution, and technology was much more advanced i.e. we had anti-gravity crafts like some E.T groups use. 

  At this piont in time, there were many E.T. groups which had communicated more directly with humanity.  My wife was acting in the capacity as a Earth ambassador like role wherein she communicated with various E.T. groups in a diplomatic manner.

  During this time, she knew we were in an open war with a particular E.T. group, not by choice or desire, but in order to protect ourselves from being taken over.  An analogy would be like one country aggressively invading another with no justification, and the peaceful country instead of choosing to let themselves get completely slaughtered or enslaved, they choose to fight just to protect themselves.

In the dream, other E.T. groups were helping us by helping improve our technology and giving us info about this aggressive E.T. group.  Specifically, she met a particular E.T. who helped her out in relation to this aggressive group and upon waking she knew that E.T. was connected to my Disk, or in other words i was the helpful, very aware E.T.

  Anyways, i found the dream particularly interesting because of what i previously read in Rosiland McKnight's book Cosmic Journey's. 

McKnight was one of Bob Monroe's earlier explorers and much of the Gateway Voyage program at The Monore Institute is based upon her guidance session and info that she got while working with Monroe in his lab. 

  In her book Cosmic Journey's, Rosiland relates that on several occasions that her guidance helped her to tune into the Akashic record level of consciousness and she viewed major probability factors of humanity and it's growth over a long period of time (both past and future) from her present. 

Specifically talked about by her guidance was the probability that sometime around the 2500 year period, there would be a war between human world/humanity and a non constructive E.T. group. 

  Seems to me that Bob Monroe and others connected to TMI found Rosiland and her guidance sessions pretty credible--especially since there were many instances of veriifcations in this work.  For example, sometimes Bob would have a question in his mind and Rosie's guidance would answer it before asked.   Or, in one instance in the book, it's mentioned that a very skeptical  psychologist came down to talk to Monroe about his work.  Instead of talking about it, he suggested she try it out for herself.  A little while later, she reported back that she was experiencing a group of 4 Beings debating about whether or not to lift her out of her body.

What was interesting about this, is that Rosiland was normally scheduled that time to work with her guidance, and Rosiland typically had 4 Beings she primarily worked with, with "Ah So" acting as kind of the director or main guide.

This future date may seem far away, but as i've said, the war is going on right now, but currently it's being engaged on and in a covert, psychological, energetic, and mental-emotional sense.

This group is helping to keep humans stuck, and they want this deeply. 

  Personally, i don't understand their motivation--it doesn't seem very logical to me--especially since they are more aware of nonphysical realities and concepts more than the average human.  I don't understand how they couldn't want to be part of attuning to and expressing PUUL. 

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  Regarding the first part, i fail to see how an individual, or collective humanity being stuck energetically is going to help them in relation to this current, and especially later the physical war? 

  As i've said before, awareness of the situation and attuning to PUUL will help both individuals and the collective. 

The only reason why these aggressive E.T.s haven't directly attacked or started a war with us yet, is because they are not allowed to yet. 

They are not allowed to by forces more powerful and aware than they, because if they were allowed to do what they want now, it would a total slaughter and we would have no chance.

  Spooky, lack of direct guidance about an issue does not equal knowledge about it or say that it's not possible or probable.  Nor does it negate the perceptions and guidance of those who have had direct guidance about an issue. 

  Do you think people like Albert, Rosiland, Courtney Brown Phd, and i are trying to make people scared or trying to foster fantasy illusions just for the fun or ignorance of it? 

  Neither Albert or i seek money or followers in any way, for talking about this info.  We simply want to be on the side of guidance of helping to make people aware of some very important issues.  We still talk about it even though people make fun of us, our beliefs, or personally belittle us. 

  Btw, when they incarnate as humans, they might be "just humans" but it's some of these humans which have caused some of the most trouble for other humans and for humanity.  It's these humans which tend to be those rather uncommon super psychopathic types who have an insatiable appetite for power, money, and material influence.  People that get involved in creating systems that oppress others. 

We all have a responsibility for we allow this to happen, and in some cases even vote some of these people in, but it doesn't change the fact that the average human doesn't tend towards these extreme power and control issues that leads to affecting other humans material lives adversely whether directly causing suffering OR helping to keep people stuck in limiting beliefs through manipulation of info, media, government, etc. 

 

goobygirl wrote on Jul 7^th, 2010 at 1:33am:


Would you have this same attitude if this particular group of E.T. took, enslaved you, killed all you love and held dear, and noticeably manipulated societal belief systems to have the affect to facilitate and perpetuate stuckness? 

  The time will come, when the more obvious, in our face factors can become reality if it's not prevented by US. 

Few humans have so much self non attachment and material non attachment as to really say and believe, when experiencing something as difficult and challenging as the above, "so what".   

  So what that so many people in this world live in such horrible material conditions which in many cases were created by others and their insatiable appetites for more money and more power.  So what that this is a world of mass inharmony, selfishness, and suffering. 

So what we say, unless we ourselves are experiencing it.  Even then, it becomes woe is me and my problems usually, not concern for others in a more universal and unconditional sense.
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  I almost completely agree.  Both Recoverer and i, two people that have received direct guidance about this E.T. group and their plans, advocate that our best solution to this is individual and collective spiritual developement AND also awareness of the situation.  That which one is unconscious of, is often the most difficult thing to transform and regenerate for the unconsciousness. 

Ever heard the term the "shadow", and how important it is for an individual to become consciously aware of what's in the shadow in order to regenerate what's limiting in same so one can growth and expand?

   If enough people in this world, speed up their inner vibratory patterns by attuning to PUUL and to Source, then the less chance and influence this group has of manipulating us as a species and later conquering us as a world. 

   However, i fail to see how awareness of the issues and probabilities here are limiting or a waste of time.  Maybe most just don't really want to think about it because it's something they can't obviously control and such unknowns and uncontrollable things tend to make many uneasy and uncomfortable.   
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Perhaps you missed the part about "lost Souls" in Bruce's book.  It's not quite so simple and black and white.  I wish it was, but it's not.   

We were given freewill by the Creator, and by and through use of this freewill we either bring ourselves more in resonation or less in resonation with Source.  It's not a "give in" or automatic.   We have to change ourselves within, in order to remerge with Source in the fully conscious sense. 

Passivity will get someone no where quick.  Becoming a more and more pure channel and expresser of PUUL however, will help to get both self and others back, because the more individuals who realize their true natures, the easier it becomes for all.

  Some use their freewill in such consistently destructive and severely lacking in love ways, that they end up destroying their own consciousness coherency and experience a true and final death--a death of self awareness.   Bruce wrote about this in his books and others have mentioned similar. 

  The point is meanwhile, there are so many who suffer and anyone more intune with the Creator and Oneness Consciousness can not help to feel this and want to help out in the process of retrieve.   

  If one is intellectually polarized, or over Yin-passive polarized, then it becomes a "so what", passive selfish stance of i only care about self and my own developement. 

Apathy in other words, and apathy is a big reason of why humanity is in such a collective mess and has been for so long.  If more lived for others, like Yeshua did in his life, then the Retrieval process would move along smoothly and more would remerge with Source sooner, hence ending the ultimately needless experience of suffering. 

We weren't created to suffer, but we do and we do because of our mis use of freewill.  But it's not just an individual thing.  When you are born into a world of lies and half truths all around you, when you are indoctriated with selfishness, materialism, fear from birth, it becomes that much harder to break out of those patterns and cycles, and only the strongest and most mature of us do this more fully. 

I desire a world wherein this will be easier for everyone born as a human.  Part of co-creating this kind of future for me, means to talk openly about those influences which are hindering us from achieving that and outlining the solutions which will help us out of this.   

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  This can be true depending. It also can be true that remaining ignorant or buying into the propaganda and misinfo can also do likewise.   Remember, knowledge and awareness is power, and knowledge and awareness combined with love becomes powerful transforming wisdom personified.  Btw, i don't think in terms of "bad or good", as i find it a rather limiting perspective.   

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2 is an appropriate number label for your posts energy and message. 

The above was my 3 cents. 

On a personal level, i would prefer not to spend time writing and communicating about a subject that i know ahead of time that the majority will not agree with or appreciate.   I rarely write posts here anymore for lack of interest and other reasons, but i feel this is a very important issue and if i make just one person interested enough in seeking their own guidance more directly about this issue, then i will not have spent my time in vain. 

The more who are aware of these issues, and who are acting as solutions, the better it will be for all involved.  Passivity is not a wise option on this one and i wish others who can get clear info from guidance would seek out answers about this issue and share what they receive.   

It is true what Justin said about Spooky. Spooky speaks against masters, yet he himself has pointed to what some self designated masters have said. If we have dreams about a true master, perhaps we should become clear about whether our mind was simply spinning out a belief system, or whether we received a meaningful message. If we had a period in our life that was difficult and a particular master was referred to us, perhaps we should become clear about what we were told. We should determine if we want doubtful, unclear and unknowing thoughts to make the decision.

First I was involved with gurus, and then I found that guru after guru was a fake. I figured the same was true with Jesus. But I kept an open mind, and in a manner that is beyond the spinning of my imagination, I found that he was authentic.

It is hard to say what Jesus was like while he was in this world, but I believe it is safe to say that he was a man who lived according to love and was completely committed to serving the greater good, and had no need for being put on a pedestal and engaging in the self serving ways so many gurus demonstrate. I don't believe an honest man (or woman) would ever tell other people to rely on him in the way gurus do so. A man who understands how misleading and destructive the guru thing has been, just wouldn't partake in such an approach.  Or in other words, if a man takes such an approach, he probably isn't the master he claims to be.

When Adolph Hitler and the Nazis had it in mind to attack other parts of the world, their attempts didn't go away simply because some people chose to not focus on such a thing. The people who paid attention enabled the required preparedness to manifest.

When it comes to soul lessons, it's a complicated affair. Some souls might have it in mind to be involved with a fake guru for a while so they can learn discrimination. Of course, there is nothing wrong with finding a way to learn a lesson more quickly. Some of us probably were informed about unfriendly alien influences before we incarnated in this world. This subconscious memory feels uncomfortable, so sometimes we are slow to acknowledge it, and scoff at sources that remind us of it. Fortunately, there is nothing out there that is too foreboding to deal with it, as long as we choose a love and light based approach.

P.S. I don't mean to say that Jesus is the only authentic being that exists. I believe there are lots of beings who represent the light. However, I've found that when it comes to humans that seem sincere about helping out, they never designate themselves as enlightened people who should be relied on. They try to be helpful without becoming a crutch.

As soon as a person qualifies himself by saying he (or she) is enlightened, he allows other people to think of him as an infallible crutch that can't be doubted. A person who knows better and is spiritually responsible wouldn't make the mistake of representing himself as an enlightened being, "whatever that means."

goobygirl wrote on Jul 7^th, 2010 at 11:54am:


  What you find, and what is reality is not necessarily the same thing.  You are reading typed words on a forum, the intention behind the words can be very different than the perception of one gets while reading ones words.

  I wasn't feeling at all defensive when i wrote you, but i feel this is such an important message to get out, i want to be absolutely clear and logical as one can be about such an "occult" issue.   

   But to be honest, i can be a little over Yang and Fiery at times, as Recoverer mentioned.   See, Recoverer and i know each other much better than we know you or you us, for we have spent time in physical with each other and have seen past each others typed words. 

  When we first met, i don't think we particularly got along on a personal leve--there was some definite friction and disagreement at timesl, but despite that, he saw the good in me and i saw the good in him, and eventually we saw there was similarity in the guidance we got about issues BIGGER than ourselves.   This eventually enabled a friendship to develop. 

I'm not sure if you know anything about astrology or not, but to give you an idea of my communication and interaction style, i have Mercury in Capricorn trine Virgo Jupiter with about a half a degree separation.   In other words, i can be overly blunt, open, and honest about my thoughts and feelings at times, and unintentionally wound people, but i almost never mean to actually do that. 

Anyways, enough about the messengers and our deeper and more true intentions.   

  Point is, i am not just writing to or about you, despite that i quoted your posts and words.  It's much less personal than that, and i've said what i've said because this is a public domain and many read this site. 

  One way of people of avoiding a real discussion wherein many good and logical points are brought up in retort, is to reply with something like, "you or your post are being defensive".   

That sets an emotional tone of, i don't want to hear your points because you are not worthy of being heard for your defensiveness.   It's actually a "defensive" way to respond in a discussion wherein the other person replies point by point for clarity. 

Re: what i said about your posts message and energy (notice i did not say you as in a fixed, labeling manner) being in resonation with the number 2--this is what i meant. 

   2 is a more passive, Yin number indication in numerology.  It's also a number of opposition and imbalance. 

I specifically made this comment in lieu of your opening statement reply to me, which was, "Please don't take this as completely flippant, but so what? I mean, sure, there can be good and bad ETs, but what can we really do about it? "

  My whole point is, the first step in conscious awareness and acceptance. 

  The next step is something we agree on, personal spiritual developement.  The difference between our viewpoint and perspective is that i'm emphasizing a more universal and collective activity. 

  The more of us who become aware of these issues, and who really try get their spiritual butts in gear as far as speeding up their vibratory rates, the better it will be for all of us. 

  There are massive changes coming before this physical war takes place.  In a few years the I-net and mass communication will not be a viable option.  Hence, certain messages need to be gotten out and stressed now.  Those who act as channels of guidance have a responsibility to speak openly, clearly, and fearlessly about such important issues.

  This is why Rosiland McKnight's guidance spoke openly about this issue, and why Rosie included this in her book Cosmic Journeys.  It's important. 

  See, i also knew and met Rosie, and Rosie was a rare Light in this world--someone who sincerely and deeply tried to live by and in accordance with guidance greater than the personality self.  (funny enough, Rosie and i had the same b-day, Jan. 8th). 

I am suddenly questioning the 'value' of all things (1 cent, 2 cents, 3) and am reminded of a phrase from a movie (Humphrey Bogart):

“Ilsa, I’m no good at being noble, but it doesn’t take much to see that the problems of three little people don’t amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world”

Casablanca

Justin,

The "stuckness" you speak of while being projected is clearly a part of this experience. Fully agree that pain isn't the only forward though, but who's to say why unprojected selves experience what they do? Doesn't make sense that projected selves are to dictate that. Wish for a better future, well, good for you and those you may help out.

Not claiming that this is an illusion, and as incarnations we get the whole spectrum of the in your faceness of it. But the dungeon sense of it is waaay too harsh for me. And so with total death which you mentioned in another post. I don't care who states that, for me, winking out of a particular focus means just that.

Karma needs being worked out. Light revenge imo, and a incarnation/projected perspective.

PUL/PUUL. Still amused by unconditional, as the un is unnecessary if it's about love reserved for "good/nice" people.

As for your last part, it's nice to be nice, but even better to ditch the polarity commands. I see you've learnt a little bit about fire yourself, observe many of the predictable responses you'll get. - A positive change will happen for all. Help is all around, but many/most steps are one's own though. Saving in my book more times than not have an element of force to it.

Thank you Romain.

Think of it this way, a kid is being beaten by one of his parents. Certainly it wouldn't be wrong for some people to get fired up about helping this kid.

A lot of kids are being beaten in this world and many other negative things are taking place, on some occasions due to unfriendly influences.

So if people get fired up a bit rather than just waiting for everything to take care of itself, perhaps less kids will get beaten, etc.

What would people think of people who just stand by as a child is beaten? Are there reasons for which people incarnated into this world that relate to helping out? Are there people such as false gurus who interfere with this process? If we want to accomplish what we intended to accomplish before incarnating, it benefits us to not get caught up in the many traps that exist.

If one wants to help light beings with unfriendly beings that exist, there are ways to do so. It is unreasonable to expect light beings to have to repeatedly bring down their energy level so they can interact with this world and lower energy levels. I'm speaking of circumstances that are similar to why people need to help with retrievals. We can make an energetic connection to light beings and help out. If we look for such a being in the wrong place we won't make a connection. Instead we'll allow some self serving whatever get in our way.