The Gliese 581 system is the closest extra-solar system found so far capable of producing life as we know it. This system is around 20 light years away. So if you leave now and travel AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT you will get there in about 20 years. Going far slower will up the travel time to 50 or even hundreds of years....

And this is the CLOSEST candidate!

Also, I find it to be a complete waste of time to travel that sort of distance just to ravage a planet like Earth. In fact, If said aliens did travel THAT far they would most likely have ABANDONED they're own planet completely because it was dying. These aliens would have to have a massive space ship filled with plant life and I highly doubt they would be prepared for battle.

My personal opinion is to say simply, stick with proving the afterlife exists to the world on a grand scale. Maybe you actually have a chance at that. Proving aliens exist is less likely to happen, especially on a grand scale. You may find microorganisms but I doubt much more.

Yes, I believe in aliens. They are out there. But they are simply so far away you have no idea. The universe is so huge and we are all limited by our psychical bodies and what they can handle.

Prove the afterlife.
Prove that aliens exist.

Which one seems easier?

There are lots of people including myself who have had contact with aliens in a manner that was beyond hallucination and being hypnotized.

There are means of travel that are beyond physical means, and the speed of light isn't a concern.

Half truths are worse than whole lies for they deceive even the Soul. 

Re: the E.T.'s which do not have a PUUL motivation in relation to us or themselves (namely the group called the Reptilians), they are very, very, very active in creating false belief systems about them and what's really going on.   They certainly have the ability to program people subconsciously, and according to some sources they are very much in bed with different Government factions and levels.   

  They dangle carrots of advanced technology in return for favors, silence, and active misdirection.   The U.S. gov. is particularly good at the above for so much practice in covert activities and societal brainwashing. 

  If these factions are not counter balanced by guidance forces and especially the actions of individual humans and humanity as a whole, then humanity will end up a species in not just spiritual-energetic bondage-stuckness, but also in physical.

  We can talk all day about the dangers or limitations  of duality and polarity mind sets, but arguments against these will not help to change the spiritual and physical suffering of many, many beings in this system if this group does get to do what it wants to.  Beyond a certain point, those who are helping us will not interfere for unless we change within, we will have to deal with what we have attracted.  It's akin to the idea that one can't "leave" a temporal hell area until one changes enough within to do so.  Just more collective in nature.  Guidance levels can't force us to change.

  The point is, we can choose a much more constructive and more quickly suffering transforming way .  How, by awareness of what is going on, and by attuning ourselves as much as we can to the Creative forces--principally PUUL.  This awareness and this attunement allows us to shield ourselves from their influence and counteracts it.

  Personally, i find it's important to look upon this group (and those humans they influence or work with) with and through the eyes of PUUL, just as with any of Source's children--because we are all One and this group has the potential to find their way back again. 

Re: outer sources and info along this line.  One of the few outer sources i resonate with and trust more than not re: this issue is Courtney Brown's Remote viewings and the remote viewings of those at his Farsight Institute. 

  He has written two major books based on his modified remote viewing techniques (Brown also attended the Gateway Voyage at TMI in Faber) and info gathered through same. 

Interestingly, some varied info scattered throughout both books aligns to more direct guidance that my partner and i have received.  Some he doesn't even seem to understand himself when he wrote it in the books, like his communications with "Jesus" and Jesus talking about the Grays, Martians, etc. as being "his children."  (think Bruce's explorer partner and her guidance about the Planning Intelligence and related connections). 

The 1st book is rather naive and only focuses on more positive aspects of E.T.'s groups for the most part.

  The 2nd book deals with some intense issues related particularly to that one group perceived as reptilian in nature, and how they are in a war to manipulate, deceive, and mislead us on many levels--thus facilitating their eventual full conquest of Earth and it's inhabitants.   A humanity literally and figuratively chained. 

One way for this group to get their way, is to convince people through various means that there is nothing to this theory, or to create limiting spiritually oriented belief systems which say, well if you believe in such polarity based issues, you're just another stuck person and in reality there is nothing at all to worry or be concerned about, as it's all just illusion to begin with.  The illusion perspective has it's relative truth of course, but suffering is real & when one is more tuned into the Whole, one can feel it's other selves suffering. 

   With my communications with that Consciousness Bruce labeled the Planning Intelligence, i didn't get such a non nonchalant and passive, anything goes impression, but rather real concern and an attitude of active positivity to act as a counter balance to these hindering influences (and It has asked the same of others and i).   The P.I. might be a sweet giggler full of joy, humor, and love, but It can be very serious about important issues.  After all, the P.I. IS the original Retriever from the beginning and so much of It's energies are focused on a very broad, whole Retrieval process.   

Anyways, here is a site wherein you can download for free, both of Courtney Browns' books based on his modified R.V. sessions.   In relation to the above topic thread, i especially recommend reading the 2nd one and seeing what you get from your own inner guidance about the matter.   The 1st is also interesting and worth reading, but doesn't so much relate to this thread topic except that it goes into much depth and detail about the "Grays" who are a group that works with humans on permission of humans (or in most cases, just their "Disks") and the "Galactic Federation" of E.T.'s, which are basically Light Beings from various different areas and focuses of the Universe. 
 Some of this insight becomes important to understand in relation to the latter book talking about the Reptilian group and how the Grays, along with the G.F. are very active in trying to counter balance the hindering nature of the Reptilian interactions with us.    

http://www.courtneybrown.com/publications/explorers.html

First of all, I don’t believe information received through hypnosis is fully trustworthy.  Sometimes you’ll get good information, sometimes not. I read some of Dolores Clairborne’s books, and even though some of the things her subjects say sounds okay (often some entity speaks through them), some of them sound false. In fact, different subjects from within one book contradict each other about key points.  It is certainly possible that a hypnosis subject picks up on a hypnotist’s belief system as a subconscious level. If a person allows his or herself to be hypnotized by a hypnotist, this suggests that he or she is open to the hypnotists suggestions. Thoughts are things, including the thoughts of a hypnotist.

When it Comes to aliens, Clairborne's hypnosis subjects came up with quite a different story than what Malanga's subjects came up with.

Nevertheless, people including myself have received information about reptilians without being hypnotized.

One person I consider credible had an OBE where he was taken on board a ship that had different aliens. One of the aliens said they should attack the unfriendly aliens, but another alien said that if they did so, the unfriendly aliens would attack this world.  So it could be that the answer to the million dollar skepticism based question, “If unfriendly aliens exist, then why haven’t they attacked already?” is, there is a standoff between friendly and unfriendly aliens.

Regarding what Justin wrote about  polarity mindsets, perhaps this relates to why I received messages stating that ACIM came from unfriendly beings. If person allows his (or her) mind to be defined by the course too much, he might have a hard time accepting that unfriendly beings actually exist. In fact, Warren Smith wrote that he and his wife were troubled by unfriendly beings, they told their ACIM reading group co-members about this, and they just couldn’t believe that he and his wife were being troubled by unfriendly beings.  Their minds had been programmed so they were incapable of conceiving of such a thing.

Regarding Courtney Brown, some of the things he says sound  accurate to me; however, I believe that just like any of us including me, his discrimination has flaws at times (e.g., suggesting that everybody gets involved with transcendental meditation).  He wrote that remote viewers before him tried to get information about the Grays and were provided with false information. Yet he wrote that he received accurate information, because the Grays informed him it was time to reveal true information.  I’m not willing to assume that this is the case. If they were willing to give out false information in the past, why wouldn’t they continue to do so with Courtney? I’ve read some things about the Grays that sound negative. Some sources speak of them working with the Reptilians. 

I agree with Courtney’s premise that we have the mission of helping Grays evolve to a higher level, but I also believe service oriented beings also want to help the reptilians evolve to a higher level.

Another thing Courtney wrote that requires discernment based attention, is that friendly aliens won’t interact with us until we have a one world government. I’m wary of the “New World Order” movement, so question marks came up when I read what he wrote about this. I believe this world needs to become unified at a spiritual level, not at a level where a few self-appointed head honchos decide for everybody else.

Let's summarize what to do. Let's assume there is someone who doesn't have the gift to see what's going on regarding aliens. When this one would live in the here and now, and would as much as possible be aware of unfiltered perceptions of his/her so-called physical environment, then it would be the best this one could do, right? Direct seeing, not being caught up in belief systems, just what's there, and from that open mindedly chose what to do. Right?

Spooky

Justin,

"If these factions are not counter balanced by guidance forces and especially the actions of individual humans and humanity as a whole, then humanity will end up a species in not just spiritual-energetic bondage-stuckness, but also in physical."

A guide stating that any scenario here will or even can result in spiritual bondage I'd ask to remove the mask, and let the flick of the tongue rip. Pure dark polarity fantasy. Just as unconditional love being the ultimate repellent is pure light polarity fantasy. Gee, the power given to the fritzl types on silver platters. As for physical domination, just one of many possibilities, but then again a chance to prove to oneself that "I am more than the physical body" is more than mere lip sync. And besides, even f27 outshine anything here, and then there's the beyond.

Volu wrote on Jul 6^th, 2010 at 5:38am:


Spiritual bondage meant only in the sense of while incarnated as a human one is stuck in the energetics of fear, suffering, lack of spiritual awareness, lack of love, etc.  "Stuckness" does not only apply to a human who dies and then is stuck between the more purely physical and more purely nonphysical levels, but applies in a much broader and universal sense of suffering--suffering in any being and in any dimension or level of being more collective in nature (such as this physical Earth).   

Or in other words, lack of pure, complete attunment to Source and to PUUL.  Anytime there is a lack of the above, there is suffering, and the degree of suffering is always directly proportional to the degree of lack of attunment to PUUL and to Source Consciousness.

  Speaking more specifically of the future the reptilian group wants: Obviously once a Soul born into such a world and into a body, leaves this world, they can become more spiritually free and aware. 

However, our lives as humans, often have a great impact in our lives in the nonphysical.  This is part of the reason of why we incarnate here to begin with. 

  Physical challenge and diffifulty is often good for the Soul and can really help it expand, but when it comes to a point wherein an entire species and world is enslaved and constantly abused and there isn't much that can change that, then this creates a very difficult situation both physically and energetically.   

Can it be overcome?  Sure, all things are possible, but it becomes very, very difficult in the probable sense. 

  In a sense, many Souls that incarnate as  humans, are somewhat stuck once they decide to incarnate as humans.   

It's because they keep creating the kind of karma that needs to be specifically worked out here. 

If they reach a sufficient level of PUUL attunement, they can break the cycle and they become free and become aware of other realms, systems, and in some cases, even entirely raw realities to co-create new, unique structured realities. 

  But, look at humanity today and right now.  Look at how much suffering and lack of PUUL there is in the world, and how many recycle in and out of human bodies, some because of unhealthy addiction and others because of karmic obligations. 

  If the Reptilians get what they want, it will only become much worse for humanity and thus also to some extent for aspects of our nonphysical nature and experience. 

  You are entirely ignoring a huge part and premise of Bruce's work here.  That Souls which were once attached to and working through human bodies, can and do get stuck when the body dies.  Consciousness and awareness is essentially the same anywhere it is focused in that it can be more limited or more free, and all individual consciousnesses are to some extent or another affected by the surrounding environment or a greater collective of energies.

  This stuckness is a very painful thing for the individual being, and thus the individual pain affects the Whole for all is connected.  That is the very meaning of PUUL, to want to end suffering for every individual and thus the Whole, for all is connected.

  If a once human Soul can get stuck partially from the way the world is now, only imagine how many will get stuck in the nonphysical if the reptilian E.T. group gets what it wants? 

  Maybe you don't care and are non nonchalant about all this, based on so supposedly more enlightened way of looking at the world and reality (seemingly largely based on "The Matrix" books which are as about spiritually distorted, half truth filled, and disinfo as one can find), but i do care and i have dedicated my self and this human life to be a channel of change of this world for the better. 

  I will go through anything in order to help this world and those who are stuck.  Because i can feel others suffering and i guess it's a selfish thing, because when others suffer, i also suffer and so i want to help change this.  If we are all happy and free of suffering, then truly we are all healed for we are all One and connected at such an intrinsic, fundamental level.

  I see a potential future of collective human greatness, unity, and happiness.  This is probable at this point, and it's because of the efforts of so many retrievers who have directly incarnated here to help with human stuckness. 

  However, because of the way humanity is right now, and because of the hindering influence of the reptilian group, there is a possibility for this world and humanity to become much worse than it is now.  I cannot be passive and nonchalant about this. 

Every active, positive effort on part of every human who desires healthy collective change can and will help to co-create the future wherein many will finally become truly and completely free.   

  Please at least consider being a part of the positive change in an active, more collective sense.  Making fun of, judging, and slyly belittling others who do care and want to see this positive change happen for all, is  not a way of helping this process at all. 

  Or maybe that is the point?