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Reply #30 - May 26^th, 2010 at 6:42pm

Don't lose hope. We will learn from this.

Why not, imagine a good outcome? How many times can we fail, after all? Aren't our odds actually better now, of success, even in the most minute way? Many experts have looked at this problem, which is more than a problem. Even a small success can make a big difference, in the long run. What else is left but patience?

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Reply #31 - May 27^th, 2010 at 5:10pm

Back to the initial topic, my mother is a Jehovah's Witness and I inquired about this and other crazy bible rules and she said that they are all the "old code" and that she can show proof that #1 the old rules don't need to be followed and #2 that there are new rules/codes in place in the bible.

I am kinda surprised of her claims that the bible explains this... and as she says explains it.... "clearly"

When I get the information from her I will post it here for everyone that wishes to hear it.

I for one am intrigued.

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Reply #32 - May 28^th, 2010 at 7:44am

My understanding is the new code is following the Golden Rule only. No laws, but those who impose on another's free will will find out very quickly that they have done so. That was the way it was supposed to be in the first place. All the laws that have been set up under moses are laws that break the golden rule, but were written in an effort to impose the Golden Rule ...so I would be interested to hear what these new laws are. Of this is how I see it so no need to bombard me with reasons why the 10 commandments weren't Moses own idea.

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Reply #34 - May 28^th, 2010 at 10:25pm

heisenberg69 wrote on May 28^th, 2010 at 10:03am:

That's logical. If you think about it why would a higher consciousness society/culture need imposed rules to stop people from hurting eachother - they would'nt anyway ! In my book as humans evolve spiritually rules wither away naturally.

This is the key...when we each understand that what we think we create...just create what you want...good, peace, love, and light.

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Reply #35 - May 31^st, 2010 at 7:05am

Okay here we go!

Firstly, I am not trying to be an a$$ about all of this, I am actually seeking answers and I am going to start by speaking a lot with my mother and her Jehovah's Witnesses at the kingdom hall.

I am here to be constructive, not bash the bible, but QUESTION it and attempt to make sense of it. So let's just be cool and talk about it. I admit I can get silly at times but I honestly would like to give the bible a chance for once and really look into it honestly. That said, I am now reading the bible and I decided to start with the new testament since I think it has more relevance because the new testament is more about the new code we are to follow instead of the old ways.

Well, the first book is Matthew and I couldn't even get through the second chapter before a confusion within the text hit me!

Matthew 2:20 (King James Version)

20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.

Obviously, I have no issues with the above translated text. However, in the Jehovah's Witness translation....

Matthew 2:20 (New World Translation)

20 and said: "Get up, take the young child and it's mother and be on your way into the land of Israel, for those who were seeking the
SOUL
of the young child are dead.

My Issue: Well, oddly the only bible translation which uses the word SOUL is the Jehovah's Witness version. I have some major issues with this since we typically as a HUMAN RACE consider the soul to be a seperate entity from the body itself. This begs the question....

WHY use that word instead of life?

What strange ritual were these evil men going to perform which would be able to take Jesus's soul?

And, is it even possible to do such a thing... to God's son no less?

Why not just use the word LIFE to avoid confusion?

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Reply #36 - May 31^st, 2010 at 8:43am

Jeeze Louise I can't make it very far without a second question LOL!!! (I am keeping a record of all of these as well and E-Mailing them to the Jehovah's Witnesses)

QUESTION TWO
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Matthew 4:24 (New International Version)

24 News about him spread all over Syria, and people brought to him all who were ill with various diseases, those suffering severe pain, the demon-possessed, those having seizures, and the paralyzed, and he healed them.

My issue: Demon-possessed? Ok, what constitutes a person who is possessed by demons?
Is it still possible for people to be possessed by demons today?
Is demonic possession, in reality, just another word for mental illness?
How can mental illness be demonic possession when a person really just simply feels that way?
How do you determine, define, and understand the difference?

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Reply #37 - May 31^st, 2010 at 9:39am

I would say that if you give strength to those aspects of yourself that believe in demons it is possible to BELIEVE you are possessed and certainly possible for someone outside of you...priest, religious friend to have such a belief because of the fact that you don't adhere to a standard of behavior consistent with what they'd like to see. Demons implies a belief in separation from "source". If you hold this belief then you are susceptible to whatever your mind can dream up, but it is still the mind. That's how I feel about it. There is only ONE actual thing and it appears to split into many but it is still illusion at the end of the long day. No room for true Duality of Good and Evil, The All simply IS.

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Reply #38 - May 31^st, 2010 at 1:57pm

When (what year) did the JW's re-write the bible? That could explain a lot of why they have decided to use the word "soul" in it instead of "life". Sometimes belief systems need to be transformed in order to adjust for new beliefs or in order to control their message easier. Christianity is about saving "souls", not about saving "lives"? I think that the JWs changed "life" to "soul" because this child was to have been more that just a life. He was to have been the son of God. King of kings. Lives have always been easy to extinguish for any religion, and in my view basically all life meaningless to them. But the soul is to be saved in the name of the religion, and their view of God. To control it and own it. They have been extremely successful over the generations and perhaps many differant areas of the afterlife are filled with these entrapped souls. Except perhaps the JW's area. With only what,? 144 thousand or something like that getting in, there should be plenty of room to mill around. In their case, I feel somewhat sorry for everyone who isn't already there because they dont have a hope in hell of getting in. But perhaps thats the point. The desire to enter reinforcing the existance of the area its self?

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Reply #39 - May 31^st, 2010 at 3:15pm

Maybe Hawkeye. Perhaps the definition of soul was the same as life back in the day.... but today it's just not the same thing...

It's so hard for me to read this lol.

QUESTION THREE
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Matthew 5:22 (King James Version)

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

My issue: If I say raca #$%^ or @#$%-$#@! or mo $#@%@# etc. towards someone I am at the mercy of the supreme court.
but... If I call someone a "fool" that is punishable by going to hell? First of all that doesn't exactly sound completely fair. Secondly, I would be way more upset if someone called me raca/@#$% than if they called me a fool. I am a bit confused as this is new testament and is supposed to be relevent to life today.

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Reply #40 - May 31^st, 2010 at 8:36pm

Greetings yon venture earthlings.

I think it all comes down to how you regard yourself in relation to the physical body. I agree with and I'm fully confident that the wise sages throughout history are totally correct in their statement that we are soul, but that soul has several bodies surrounding it. The physical body and the brain are the most dense, while the etheric body is one step lighter and the astral body lighter still.

The soul plane goes beyond the physical, etheric, astral, and mind planes to being closer to God. That is who we really are. Soul incarnate in the physical is constantly under attack from the lower forces of nature. Jesus tried to teach this, but the people couldn't understand the concept in that era of time, so the deified him instead.

The old testament was most likely influenced by an advanced race of beings passing themselves off as gods to manipulate the humans. Read ancient Sumerian to get a better idea of what really happened back then. Scholars found many rewrites in the old testament to earlier stories from ancient Sumeria, where Abraham first originated from.

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Reply #41 - Jun 5^th, 2010 at 6:13pm

Ralph...when we have issues of veracity about written comments from 200 years ago*, how do we hold written documents over two thousand years old and older to a higher degree of authenticity? The events described by the written word are subject to interpretation, to motivation, to perspective, to any number of human faults by the writer, the translator and the reader. I take all of them with a grain of salt and evaluate them through my own belief system...some feel warm or resonate, while others range from "ok..." to "we'll see" to "waste of time".

(*-I've been researching the Thomas Jefferson papers and those who are going outside of any historical proof to "prove" Jefferson's paternity of several children through his daughter's house servant...a muck-raking political opponent made the allegation in 1800 and it has now grown legs by those with a miscegenation/mysogynation axe to grind.)

Interesting to discuss, regardless.

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Reply #42 - Jun 8^th, 2010 at 3:13pm

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Ralph...when we have issues of veracity about written comments from 200 years ago*, how do we hold written documents over two thousand years old and older to a higher degree of authenticity? The events described by the written word are subject to interpretation, to motivation, to perspective, to any number of human faults by the writer, the translator and the reader. I take all of them with a grain of salt and evaluate them through my own belief system...some feel warm or resonate, while others range from "ok..." to "we'll see" to "waste of time".

Greetings usetawuz.

The authenticity of the ancient Sumerian writings is unquestionable because the clay tablets that they are written on can be dated with the use of science. As far as interpretation goes, the stories may be mythology or factual accounts. I personally doubt that the tales of the Annunaki were just good old ancient science fiction stories to entertain the Sumerians and Babylonians.

Here is a good website about Sumerian deities:
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html
For the sophistication of science, art, and all other advanced knowledge that they possessed suddenly from out of nowhere thousands of years ago, while claiming that sky beings gave them this knowledge, leaves me no reason to doubt the truth in what they report. I'm far from being the only one who is willing to believe what they wrote on those clay tablets to be authentic stories of what happened back then.

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Reply #43 - Jun 8^th, 2010 at 10:23pm

Hi Ralph...I wasn't so much disagreeing with you as passing on my questioning of the new testament...its hard to change five thousand year old cuneiform tablets to say what one thinks should be said to influence and control others. But this is another discussion, so suffice to say we are not too far apart.

Love and light...
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