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I've read cases of NDEs where brain activity was ZERO, and so I don't buy their explanation, personally.

There's this misconception that all NDEs are "well, he/she almost died, but they didn't really die and had a dream" and they don't realize that for at least some of them, THEY WERE DEAD, not just "almost".  The only difference between them and most deaths is that they came back; they didn't stay dead.

They are and will continue to chase their tails on this because they have invested so much in proving that it all comes from the brain. Just as they can't describe the moment of the big bang or prior, they will never find the seat of consciousness by looking for it in this tiny physical subset of the multidimensional universe. My dreams alone tell me I'm more than my physical body, but I have had some other good experiences too.

I understand that mainstream science and Penn Gillette believe that we are the liars and fabricators. I get it, but they are holding on to as many or more beliefs than those of us who see evidence for the afterlife; or as I would prefer to refer to it as Non Physical Matter Reality. That way it doesn't imply that one must die to get there or live here to not be there.

Not necessarily. Here in the U.K. Dr Susan Blakemore (an arch debunker of all things spiritual) experienced an OBE but later dismissed it an an hallucination.
Some people will try to 'rationalise' anything.

Best wishes,
David.

I remember reading about Susan Blackmore's NDE, and her experience was really lacking when it came to experiencing non-physical reality. She mainly experienced more of the physical universe than usual.

She had the experience after doing a seance with an ouija board and smoking hash. Hardly the precursors to experiencing a higher state of consciousness.

If she would've experienced what other NDERs experience: a being of light, heavenly realms, divine love, a very detailed life review, a rememberance of who she really is, she might have quite a different opinion.

I had an experience that was like an NDE except that I didn't have a near death event. It was so clear during this experience that non-physical levels of reality exist, and such levels of being are what our existence is truly about. Our life in this world is just a temporary phase we go through as a learning experience. Our life in this world is like a drop of water in the ocean when compared to our eternal existence.

If one tries to judge such an experience while limiting one's self to one's rational mind, one will have a hard time remembering what was understood during the experience. If one remembers what the experience was like as one had it, one will realize that from the perspective of that state of being there is no doubt about what one experiences. One experiences with a depth of mind that far exceeds what one's rational mind can comprehend. One understands in a way that is both effortless and very clear.

Unexperienced people who deny NDEs and other non-physical experiences with their scientific explanations don't do anybody a favor. Going by my experience, it is very significant to know for certain that an eternal and wonderful existence awaits me. I don't see why some people are so hell bent on preventing others from finding out the same.  If they understood how comforting it is know that the afterlife exists, they wouldn't try to ruin it for others.

The so-called scientific approach is meaningless if a person isn't willing to seriously consider that there are levels of reality that can't be comprehended by a person who tries to do so according to the limiting parameters the physical world provides.

Perhaps some people try to deny the afterlife, because there is dirty laundry they don't want to deal with.

detheridge wrote on Apr 13^th, 2010 at 3:13pm:

Hawkeye:

Apparently it is difficult to convince some souls that they are no longer occupying a physical body yet they still exist. Chances are that some so-called "science-based" skeptics have in some cases made the retrievel business more difficult.

Detherage wrote: Not necessarily. Here in the U.K. Dr Susan Blakemore (an arch debunker of all things spiritual) experienced an OBE but later dismissed it an an hallucination.

Yes, its annoying, she's always the 'go to' scientist when these matters are brought up in the British media. I remember her passing off the 'Scole Experiment' as fraudulent in the New Scientist without offering a shred of evidence. An initial believer in the paranormal she changed her mind when she was unable to replicate her obe and has since been the resident skeptic.

It's not fantasy for sure, all they have to do is prove 100% that the actual event is happening at a time when no machinery can record any brain waves. However, if the machine records brain waves before and right after resuscitation... well, then there is no way of telling when the "NDE" took place. Therefore, only if the person can actually point out an amazing string of test objects placed where they would only see them out of body can we scientifically say that they were in fact out of they're body.

Come on now, I am talking down on NDE's yes. BUT, I am also giving an example on how NDE's could potentially be scientifically proven and mentioning that mediums are more likely to prove the afterlife than NDE's. (I have read the Afterlife Experiments by Gary)

I think the best way to prove NDE's would be a massive experimentation project... ever see the movie Flatliners? the concept was people purposefully flat-lining.... well.... if this was done in a scientific way we could definitely test NDE's!

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I've had an OBE. Now, if I were one of those materialistic scientists, I would state "it was a hallucination". But this statement is quite dumb. With the same right I could state that it's a hallucination that I, here and now, am writing these words.

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