StoneColdTrue wrote on Apr 14^th, 2010 at 12:58pm:


I think you are misunderstanding the meaning of the terms...I think you are looking at "planned and programmed" as "fixed and immutable" which would not work at all.  From my understanding, you choose a body which is in a particular location and will fit a timeframe in which various immutable, probable and possible events will occur, providing opportunities to learn, or scripts, props and plots allowing your character to act (thanks again, Beau).  The timing of your birth brings with it various personality proclivities and character traits which will also help guide some aspect of your actions and reactions to the various events you will experience in that body.  Within this framework, you and other soul mates loosely plan the primary script of the life you will live together...each bringing with them specific intuition, knowledge, enlightenment, and experiences which will be further developed and brought to bear as your lives unfold throughout the "play".

"Planned and programmed" as you describe it would not leave any room for free will (described at length in previous threads), and is not quite an accurate description...a prelife plan is more a soul's choice of direction upon incarnation, a review of the lessons and opportunities and suggested and desireable choices available, the soulmates chosen to interact with and experience events with, a basic script intended to enable the soul to reach their experiential goals, and as circumstances allow, to follow (the little voices in your ear, or the nudge you get at just the right time) and ideally act or react in a loving or beneficial way...your drunk guy's plan may well have included a lot of free liquor and a character proclivity, motive and opportunity to hit that liquor hard and present him with the choice to drive or not...soul contracts with those affected may well have been set up for him to get taken home by a friend (best choice), hitchhike and get rolled, robbed and wake up in a ditch (not so good), or get behind the wheel and drive into a school bus full of kids(awful choice)...while the opportunity for the choices were planned, he made his own choice and nothing was "programmed".

When something isn't tracking sometimes it is good to look at the terms being used as written communication can be flawed.  I had a misconception about the term "soul contract".  I spend my working days struggling with every aspect of written contracts, and the goal is to make the written words meet the exact meaning and intent of the parties involved, and to ensure every aspect of them addresses the needs and desires of the parties.  It took me awhile to understand a "soul contract" isn't like a written, negotiated, hard and fast commitment between souls...it is simply conversational shorthand for a desire between two or more souls to work together incarnate on certain experiences or lessons, due to each others expertise, desire for specific experiences or simply because of the regard between them.  They are made in prelife planning as well as upon the apparent decisions you make right now and how those decisions may change the current direction your choices are sending you, enabling you and various soul mates to benefit from the effects of those decisions.

Just my understanding...hope it helps.

I'll address my thoughts on each of your comments in italics below your paragraph...my ability to make this computer do what I want is lacking...and I can't find my teenage daughter to instruct me... 

StoneColdTrue wrote on Apr 14^th, 2010 at 4:25pm:


Seems to me we agree on quite a few points, however, that isn't what is important.  Rather, to share each others beliefs and maybe pick up a clue or two from someone else's experiences, beliefs, understandings and help us each to find our way to an understanding that helps each of us. 

StoneColdTrue wrote on Apr 14^th, 2010 at 9:16pm:


Therein lies wisdom, and don't be surprised when some of those you've tried to help come back to you acknowledging your efforts on their behalf.  If you ever speak with an akashic reader, ask if you are a light worker.  I'm not sure what it is, but you are certainly carrying a lantern, holding a light in the darkness.

hawkeye wrote on Apr 17^th, 2010 at 1:10pm:


I understand your point and I agree to a large extent.  Some foreshortened lives are completely planned and are expected to provide energetic lessons to all involved; what gets one's attention more than the loss of one so close and so dear who will not have the opportunity to continue on with their family?  The lessons learned are particularly poignant and powerful, and the messages provided are full of the content intended by and for all concerned. 

However, some early deaths are absolutely accidental.  The perfect storm of circumstance and free will can arise and take over the stage or setting and result in the death of a character.  No planning...just an accident.  The possibilities are always there, but the probabilities are so low that only minimal prelife planning for that eventuality is made, and upon its occurrence there is a rush to put circumstances/opportunities/players in place to fill the void left by the soul who departed unexpectedly.  And while a tragedy, as with any other premature loss of life to we human beings, from the soul standpoint it is simply an early departure from the "game" or "play" and a replanning of lifetimes and events in which to participate in future lives.  I had an "accident" a little over a hundred years ago with just this sort of situation.

   

Howard Storm did say his vision of the future included people celebrating death as opposed to mourning it, which to me makes a lot of sense whether true or not. If everyone came to a conscious understanding of what death really is, we wouldn't fear it or feel so bad about it. I've had a good bit of people I loved die in my life, but I've never really shed a tear or spent any time mourning them. That was always natural and I wondered why I did that. I perceived it was that I either just couldn't accept the fact, or I didn't care. But I know I loved those people so surely it wasn't the latter.

I think now that maybe my subconscious had an understanding that their deaths were for the best. Each of them suffered from terrible diseases. The only time that I ever really feel death to be unfortunate is from the sudden loss of a young person, despite the affect. I don't really care that the death has an impact which works in some way. It's still unfortunate. I don't feel for myself, I feel for that person and what they don't get to experience in THAT life. So enough of the ego stuff in that aspect.

A 20 year old boy drowned 10 feet from the dock at my lakehouse a few weeks ago. I've never met him nor was I around for what happened. But I feel for his family, his two friends that were there, and his spirit which is surely pretty upset. "Oh thats his ego thats upset." Whatever. It still sucks. But they did steal a canoe and decided to row it in 40 degree water, and alcohol was involved too.

The miracle of it all was that they just happened to tip over close enough that my parents could save 2 out of the 3 people. It was probably 2 am. They could have flipped anywhere on that lake but it just happened to be somewhere that two people were still awake and capable of doing something.

Even weirder is that during the week and a 1/2 they searched for his body, my stepmom noticed one night that the flashing red light from the tail of a plane was reflecting off the lake surface in a particular spot near our dock. Which is abnormal considering the height of the plane. She said the reflection was there even when the plane was really far away from their location. The next day the boy was found and she said it was around where she saw the reflection. She doesn't lie. She seemed pretty choked up telling me about it.

I think the grief is good because eventually it gets us off our asses in most cases to find an answer for ourselves. I know it did with me.

We lost my girlfriends Nephew in October to a choking game. I always wanted to have a relationship with him but he was distant and really I got the feeling that he was kind of transient somehow. I guess I was right, but it was still a hard time particularly on the family. He was a sweet kid and a hell of a guitar player. I think, like Buddy Holly, he had a new calling and needed to stay on schedule. Thats my take anyway.

hawkeye wrote on Apr 19^th, 2010 at 1:12pm:


When my depression got really bad and I was feeling a lot of suicidal thoughts and wishing to not live anymore, I would say the biggest contributor to keeping me stable was the thought of how it would affect everyone else and how selfish it would be of me. I had to just keep the hope that things would get better and they did. Not so much from my life experiences but particularly from my strength of mind. I developed my consciousness to a point that my ego couldn't have that hold on me anymore. My life is certainly not something I can smile at, but I came to the realization that everyones life is exactly what they make of it and I'm enduring the harder parts of life particularly to maintain responsibility and strengthen myself. I make the choices. We could all easily go out and make indulgent decisions to fulfill the "happiness" for the ego and many people do, but I know that isn't the right thing.

Endurance builds strength.

Hi again everybody,
thanks for all the superb replies here and a most revealing thread.
Stone - please try to understand the points made here.
If someone dies early on in life its not something to be sad about. There may be many reasons for this. Anyone may choose pre-life to die early as a way of triggering a response in others to be reminded of the more important aspects of existence. The shock of losing a family member well 'before their time' may be an important life lesson.
For a while at least, those left behind may forget all the everyday nonsense that occupies their waking thoughts (who's winning the wrestling tournament, do I have this season's fashions, what's happening in the soap operas on TV) and turn to things of more substance and importance.
Take the case of 9/11 and the effect that it had apart from the politics. I'm maintaining that the folks who died in that may (and I stress may, as I don't know) have volunteered for that experience. It brought a lot of people together in their grief and would be a life experience that they'll never forget. In addition, there are documented reports of those who were trapped in the buildings using their mobiles to say farewell to their loved ones in the most loving ways. And there were the folks who should have been in the Twin Towers that day and weren't due to a variety of circumstances (not in their life plan, so they were 'conveniently' unable to get there that day... the missed train, the flat tire, the unexpected occurrence...)
That's one example.
In addition, I notice from the TV series Band of Brothers that the real guys in World War II who experienced the story described have a bond and love and closeness to each other as a result of their experiences that simply could not be gained in any other way so fast.
Supposedly a war is a very good teaching experience for those involved (-not that I would ever want to go through that -or maybe I have in a past incarnation?). Likewise, I'm sure that Vietnam (and Afghanistan) vets may share that same link through shared experiences and bonding.

Back to the point:
Now if someone dies early on in life and its not part of their life plan, then plan B kicks into action. Perhaps the person they would have married had they lived according to plan meets someone else from the soul group who steps in and fulfills the role originally intended up to the best part of their ability. In another lifetime, they'll, get together with that erstwhile partner and have the marriage that they should have had this time around (if you see what I mean).
On a less harrowing note, I was told in a spirit regression that I had a soul contract with an ex partner to be/work together for the rest of our lives. It didn't work out that way (free will rears its head) and my current wife has stepped in to fulfil the role this time around (plan B?).
That still doesn't stop me regretting that I didn't get the chance to achieve everything I wished to with my ex partner, but I believe that we'll get to do it all again next time around! 

In your own case you state that you've adopted the attitude of observer in this life and had to let go of many of your desires. It could be that this is precisely what you chose this time around, and this stance of objective observation has given you a perspective that the folks around you can only guess at. Either way you've clearly progressed to an extraordinary degree.
And I'll point out that you may get to fulfil every one of your desires in another life?

I don't see the afterlife as an R&R place between lifetimes - more on the lines of going home after a day at school. You've learned the lessons (or not) of that day/life, and you get to do it all again and learn new things/correct the old things next day/incarnation.
And you decide not to incarnate again once you feel that you've learned all their is to learn and report back (rather like V'ger in the first Star Trek movie).
As Bob Monroe pointed out in his books, graduates of the Earth Life System have a lot of respect in the universe for  all they have achieved, and that they maintained that everything they went through was worth it for the end result.

Hope you understand this,
Best wishes,

David.