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Starcraft Ex Member	Re: Gone Reply #15 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 3:37pm Sometimes I feel that there just might be something, those are good times. But... A lot of the time I feel the opposite. These are really bad times.
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Reply #16 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 3:42pm

I think most of us have been there, Starcraft. When I first realized I needed an undeniable answer I read every website and book I could get my hands on, both pro and con for an afterlife. I got the impression that you may have read Sam Parnia's book from some of your comments. His method, while valiant, is not really going to prove much because once you are out of body you are almost always in a different reality frame than this one which we refer in here to as C1. Dreams and Astral Projections and even daydreaming are different reality frames of consciousness. Once you have an understanding of how different reality frames relate to your C1 life I think you will find some of the evidence you are looking for. Good Luck, buddy.

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Beau Super Member Offline Posts: 1176 Greenville SC Gender:	Re: Gone Reply #17 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 3:46pm Also here is an interview with Bob Monroe that has some great info about phasing: http://www.soulsoothersonline.com/OBE-Monroe.html If it's already been posted here, my apologies.
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Reply #18 - Apr 16^th, 2010 at 9:12pm

Been checking stuff out and just wanted to post that the lawyer presents the case for the afterlife book looks interesting, anyone have any opinions on it?

Info at:

http://www.victorzammit.com/

I am having a better night today... I am still not good. I am sure if Helga saw me she would say I need healing and flower essences, Lol.... too bad I can't see her anyway I have no money. She is a good friend though but she does new age healing for a living and even though she would help me for free I don't want to do that to her.

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usetawuz Senior Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 397 ne fla Gender:	Re: Gone Reply #19 - Apr 17^th, 2010 at 10:34am I have read Victor's book and it is free but for shipping from Australia...it is interesting, but it is a legal case citing those events which prove, from an evidentiary standpoint, that there is life after death. He does what he says, although there is not much analysis beyond that.
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Reply #20 - May 18^th, 2010 at 2:51am

Poor man. I know exactly how you feel up to a certain degree.

I also do not want to believe we are gone after we die - as in "oblivion" - but scientific evidence is screaming it into my face.

The only things that help me are:

1. It is an undeniable fact that I am alive at the moment. Therefore, I can enjoy and love or suffer and antagonize. It is up to me. Now, do you really need a higher purpose to choose the first option? I dont. If it gets too bad, there is medicine that can help you - get counselling, see a psychiatrist. Now. Do it.

2. It is an undeniable fact that science doesnt have a clue why anything exists at all. Oh, they have theories on the big bang etc., but the "why" is a mystery.

3. Human consciousness, while undeniably tied to the brain and totally gone or altered if the brain is damaged, is still a largely unexplored phenomenon. Every neuroscientists worth her salt will admit to you they havent solved the whole riddle yet. I will only say "placebo effect" and neuro-linguistic programming - I mean, what is it about the "I" that programs my own brain?

4. Think about how many facts that science was 100% convinced of have changed in the last 100 years.

All these are not good hopes, but they do pose loopholes for some form of hope even to the critical mind, dont they?

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Reply #22 - May 18^th, 2010 at 9:12am

I did read my big TOE, most of it anyway, and it is very interesting. Forgive me, my professional and personal background forces me to accept only what I know and nothing else...we live in hard times where so much about the brain is discovered that it can dishearten the faith in anyone who is working with it.

However, Beau, there is no need to be aggressive, I was trying to help Starcraft (now I see he is an ex-member, he may not even read this anymore).

Life is very beautiful and love is what should drive us all - and the way he is going, he is missing out big time and I feel sorry for him.

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Reply #23 - May 18^th, 2010 at 10:24am

Didn't mean to be aggressive if I came off that way I"m truly sorry. I was in a hurry when I wrote to you. Consciousness is fundamental. We live forever but here we are characters in a so called movie. When we merge with our higher self through a conscious effort in meditation we realize we are more than our physical bodies. Today they are disposable but when we merge with our higher self much like an Actor who stops playing a character our decision space grows and we become more one with all that is. That is what I was trying to convey. I have written a short book of tricks and information that I found crucial in my path, but I'm sure it will not be your path per se but it might give some insight. It's called "hear, we go" and I wrote it under the pseudonym Paiden Fuller. You are welcome to an e copy if you would like it. Just send an email to Paiden144@gmail.com and I will rush it out to you. Put request hear we go in the subject line. Good luck to you...and I'm sorry you didn't finish MBT it's discussion board is quite eye opening but still very scientific compared to this one. I like this one too, because people use their imaginations to form their opinions. Imagine = I"m a genie.

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Reply #24 - May 18^th, 2010 at 1:41pm

Chwre: ' Forgive me, my professional and personal background forces me to accept only what I know and nothing else...we live in hard times where so much about the brain is discovered that it can dishearten the faith in anyone who is working with it.'

I see where you're coming from but does'nt that mean that logically all you'll ever know is what you know now ?!

Regarding, brain research its not all one way traffic; I'm thinking of people like Dr Peter Fenwick ( Consultant Neuropsychiatrist emeritus to the Epilepsy Unit at the Maudsley Hospital ) and Dr Stuart Hameroff - anesthesiologist who believe that consciousness is more than brain activity.

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Reply #25 - May 19^th, 2010 at 4:02am

yes, Hammeroff is on to something for sure. Not everyone is meant to figure this out. The world is too big. It's just that simple. those who cannot see that they are more than their physical bodies are going to sit this one out I guess. So no big deal, they'll get there eventually. Everyone does. You can't destroy energy into nothing for there is no such thing as nothing and there never was.

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chrwe Full Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 150	Re: Gone Reply #26 - May 19^th, 2010 at 4:04am Man, I will personally bow very low to you in the afterlife if this is true it`s not like most of us agnostics/atheists are very happy with their belief I think we live in very hard times for all those people who cannot have firsthand experiences like you do
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Reply #27 - May 19^th, 2010 at 8:18am

'So no big deal, they'll get there eventually'

That's a good point Beau, its so easy to beat ourselves up that we're not getting there fast enough... creating a vicious cycle of torment. I think its important to learn to go easy on yourself and chill out which ironically will allow you to progress faster as its the forcing which prevents growth.

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Reply #28 - May 19^th, 2010 at 9:15am

yes, Dave, very true. It's the trying that really makes it tough. Once you let go like the REM song Losing My Religion "Try Cry Why Try" That was just a dream just a dream...you are dreaming now this very second. All Consciousness is a dream...it has to be that way, that's why our world breaks down into tiny quarks and smaller particles...it is virtual. This is a learning pattern, your life is a learning pattern for your higher self which is really you but making that connection takes some relaxation to get in touch.

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Reply #29 - May 19^th, 2010 at 11:24am

chrwe wrote on May 19^th, 2010 at 4:04am:

I think we live in very hard times for all those people who cannot have firsthand experiences like you do

From my perspective, "very hard times" are the paths chosen by those living them...certainly they are difficult, but to either work toward improving those hard times or simply accepting the hardness and continuing to do your best with PUL provides the karmic/spiritual benefit sought by the soul in choosing to live that path. How you deal with these hard times is key to achieving what you set out in this lifetime to do.

Certainly firsthand experience can provide additional motivation, but I went over twenty years between eye-opening events before my "two-by-four to the head" event initiated my current path. If you allow it to come, it will...just don't let your scientific/logical mind get in the way, or try to categorize an event that defies categorization.

Again, I hope this helps.

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