Just curious. How do you know if you're out of body? I was meditating this morning, to a cd with words and music, and going 'out of body' was the last thing on my mind (of course, I understand there are lots of different kinds of out of body experiences). I'm not one of those people who have 'vibrations' and find themselves up by the ceiling. Except, that I did. I seemed to be right under the ceiling, looking at it. I thought, oh, is this what it feels like, and just kind of stayed with it, but didn't get any sense of movement. I wondered if my eyes were really closed and if I was seeing something through my eyelids, but I couldn't get a sense of anything being different from normal. It was a weird thing to happen. I couldn't get any sense of movement, because it felt like I was right under the ceiling, and I didn't know what to do. Anyway, I just slipped out of it, fell 'asleep', just deeper, into the meditation. Thought it was worth a mention. Oh, forgot to mention, there were no 'vibrations', just the experience.

Mostly all I ever get to do is swish around inside my body so that is very cool that you were out and able to see something.

Yay for you, b2 !

If you felt next to the ceiling, you probably were ! For one possibility, your point of consciousness could have been up there without carrying the astral body with it, more like a phasing perhaps.  Many of us start by shedding the outer subtle bodies --and you just shot out from a deeper layer, it seems !  There are lots of ways to get OB, and not all seem to need the preparation of vibrating.

Your sense that the physical ceiling was a barrier is just a perceptual habit that can be overcome. I recall that sensing physical barriers was a real problem for me when I first started leaving the body, before I used Bruce's methods to control the experience. Once you resolve that experience of the non-physical into your consciousness, you'll give your non-physical self permission to do more, I'm sure 

Happy sailing! 
Bets

Hey b2,

Sounds like an OBE to me!  There doesn't have to be vibrations by the way.

How can you tell you're out of body?  Just the fact that your conscious awareness was focused away from normal waking conscious awareness. 

People tend to judge an OBE by if you can prove something was real.  That's not the correct way to look at it.  That's not the point.  The point is that your awareness was focused on something not of your normal waking conscious awareness.  In other words, from where you were sitting you would not normally have that view and feeling of being so close to the ceiling.  Your awareness was "away" from where it normally should have been. 

So experiences like deja vu and remote viewing are a couple forms of OBE.  A lot of psychic experiences are too.  Even lucid dreaming.  People always want to separate "true" OBE from everything else but the truth is there are many forms and degrees. 

I'd say you had a classic OBE there.  Now you just need to loosen up your thinking so that you are not limited from being able to move through the ceiling or unable to do anything else you want to do. 

Vicky

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The rule is when in the Astral... your intention or will controls your movement and experience thereof.

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Regarding how to move, maybe it's not that effective to focus on the movement itself, but on the location you want to go to. For example, you see something, and then you imagine to be there.

Spooky

What a good idea, Supermodel. There is no clock within view of where I meditate. There would be no way for me to see it unless I actually went over and looked at it. That would be a good test, if I could ever manage it.

Spooky, your comment makes a lot of sense. I was 'preoccupied' with the 'ceiling' to the point where I never actually thought about 'where' I would be going if I went 'through' it. Rather than focus on going 'through' it, I could have focused on a particular 'place' to be, and even, to do so in stages, if I could stay lucid. For instance, up in the sky (I know how to fly, have done so in dreams), then, to wherever else.

So, the idea is to focus on what you want, not on what you don't want, correct?

Last night I had so many dreams. It felt like I was far too busy to rest. I woke up with the words 'Jesus people' in my mind, but someone else had said it, I think. It was someone's voice, out of several around me. I don't use that phrase, and never have, to my knowledge. There was something that needed to be done, regarding the 'Jesus people', but I don't know what it was. Not that it has anything to do with this, I suppose, but perhaps I need to practice dream lucidity, just like a novice, as Beau hints at. More awareness! More awareness! I feel like banging my spoon on my tray like a baby in a high chair....

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Hi b2: If I may ask, what formal program are you using to accomplish the o.b.e... ?

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