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Apr 1st, 2010 at 9:56am
 
This is part of my process to explain why I feel my view of the Actor as the Higher Self makes sense to me. It is merely offered as an alternative to many of the other criticisms of reincarnation. Just putting it out there. Comments are Welcome.

As a disclaimer I should point out that I have been for many years diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder, which in spite of the view of some on this board, is NOT a mental illness. It is a behavioral disorder. If you don't know the difference I strongly suggest you look it up before making an uninformed conclusion, unless you prefer a close minded approach to enlightenment.

On reincarnation. The Actor (Higher Self)perhaps experiences reincarnation, the character does not as that would be ridiculous and therefore the new character cannot comment very precisely on events from a past life. It would all be sketchy and difficult to discern. Or there is no reincarnation, but if the higher self is the Actor, as I believe, then the idea of no reincarnation is as ridiculous as the belief that the flesh and blood character can understand a past life with any certainty. You see, the bigger picture will always be bigger than the character can comprehend, just as Heathcliff has no knowledge of a world beyond what is created by Emily Bronte, so the characters you and I play as flesh and blood upon the stage (planet) keep us contained from seeing the big picture.

Is seeing the big picture important to spiritual growth? Is spiritual growth important to advancement within the bigger system? I have no answer, only the feelings I get from experiencing as I do. As an Actor of flesh and blood here I have no fear of delving into the mechanics of “Good and Evil” characters for I know that I am ultimately in control of their actions. I know I am acting even though the character certainly may not know this. But a character with free will would be very dangerous on this stage (planet) to say the least. It is quite the experiment. I don’t know what the Actor/Higher Self learns from this experiment and it’s really none of my business. The life of my character (Beau) is breathed through my Actor Self. To act is to do. Ultimately I am a doer. I take action, but as a character I can choose not to take action, but for the Actor Self not taking action IS an action.

If a director is necessary to create and deploy this plot-line then I will find out how well I’ve done at achieving the goals of the Actor/Self in due time. Otherwise I am the director of my story and I will evaluate from a higher perspective at some point. I imagine my progress will be based on how well my character met the obligations given to it by the Actor/Self, than it will be based on how well I played along with those who would distract me from our goals.

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Beau
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Reply #1 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 10:28am
 
Does knowing you're an actor impede your ability to 'get into' the role Beau ?
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Reply #2 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 11:29am
 
Dave, I assume you asking me this as it would come from a worldly perspective and I would have to say that I am always conscious that I am Beau when playing, say Hamlet, but if I did not KNOW that I am Beau it would be quite dangerous wouldn't it? My characters still have my conscience and obviously my consciousness but their decision space is limited to the script and my abilities to convey those characters. The character of flesh and blood (Beau) is the higher self of the character Hamlet. Beau's higher self has the same opportunities. Hamlet is not aware of Beau but in a small sense. Hamlet is aware that he lives and breathes and reacts with other characters in the small world of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark. He ponders many of the ideas that Beau ponders, but Hamlet's conclusion is limited by the decision space of the playwright, the actor, and the director. Just as a flesh and blood character is limited by the decision space they are confronted with until they acknowledge a higher source of understanding.

And to answer the actual question Shocked I would say that knowing I am an actor enhances my ability to get into the character because it increases the decision space and gives greater depth and meaning to the "fictitious" character, but that character is only able to draw on what information Beau (as actor) supplies him with.
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Reply #3 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 12:36pm
 
One thought I had on reincarnation was the thoughts on water and how it possibly records information. So I wondered if that reincarnation was not actually what was going on, but that the water in our bodies has recorded the lives of our ancestry and become part of our genetics. So in actuality, every being is a new soul (which makes sense to me considering the population) but any information having to do with the past is only the recording of your genetic ancestors in order to allow for evolution in the physical world, while all souls continue their spiritual evolution in the afterlife.
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Reply #4 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 1:56pm
 
What if our DNA contains memories from all of our ancestors?

That would explain the "deja-vu" phenomena.  It would also explain why we have certain talents and fears that cannot be traced to our own childhood or upbringing.

It would also explain what we think of as  reincarnation.  It's not actually past lives of our own that we are recalling, it's really the lives of all those who preceded us.

Just a thought as I unwind from a couple hours on the tennis court.  Smiley

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Reply #5 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 2:07pm
 
I like the DNA idea. It's certainly possible from where I'm standing. Kind of like years after I have played a role I will come across a costume piece from that play and be instantly catapulted back to the experience of playing that role. Since DNA at some level has an electrical value it makes some sense to me. As for it being our ancestors and not us I would only say that I think the better argument is that we are experiencing multiple lives at once on a deeper level than we comprehend while in C1. Maybe, you know.
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Reply #6 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 2:21pm
 
Once again, Beau...this line of thought resonates amazingly clearly.

As for the dna, while it is primarily genetic encoding, its infusion by the soul would give it the encoded soul information as there is no genetic connections between souls...

Very odd...I typed that last sentence without realizing what I was writing.  I was thinking about shakespearean players and Beau's wonderfully written metaphor and the next paragraph on dna came out.  I do not know anything about genetics or dna, and precious little about souls and reincarnation!  Anyway, hope it helps.
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rondele wrote on Apr 1st, 2010 at 1:56pm:
What if our DNA contains memories from all of our ancestors?

That would explain the "deja-vu" phenomena.  It would also explain why we have certain talents and fears that cannot be traced to our own childhood or upbringing.

It would also explain what we think of as  reincarnation.  It's not actually past lives of our own that we are recalling, it's really the lives of all those who preceded us.

Just a thought as I unwind from a couple hours on the tennis court.  Smiley

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Precisely. That is where I was going.

I even have some thoughts which may improve this understanding. The biggest thing that pops out to me is population. By mathematical standards, I cannot come to a logical conclusion that every living person is a reincarnated soul from a past generation. I am pretty positive that the amount of people who have died on earth exceeds 5 billion. Then you have to consider that population grows. You could say that population grows BECAUSE souls reincarnate which each new generation, century, whatever. You could factor in all life on the planet to reincarnation. But you're still dealing with numbers that contradict how many souls exist both here and in the other world.

So lets consider that souls DO reincarnate-- I think its very logical to say that "new" souls arrive in each century/generation/or whatever. If the purpose of reincarnation is evolution through the ages of time on earth, then those new souls are starting pretty late. Either way, you have to consider that reincarnation is an ordered process for spiritual evolution and it just plain doesn't make much sense. It would make sense to me if lust had already filtered out and the population of all species didn't contradict how the population of souls.

But what makes more sense than souls returning to earth each time they die in order to evolve, and also explains deja vu and past life recall? Exactly what we just theorized. That our genetics have recorded the lives of the ancestral DNA. This also supports other theories (as well as my own) that we don't have to return to Earth in death and the rest of our evolution occurs in the planes of the Afterlife. Which I am much more comfortable with. I've never liked the idea of reincarnation unless it was a personal choice.
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Reply #8 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 8:51pm
 
There is no such thing as new soals.All soals were created at the created at the same time.as jesus says,before you were placed in the wome,I knew you. Old soals are soals that come back more often.
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StoneColdTrue wrote on Apr 1st, 2010 at 7:30pm:
rondele wrote on Apr 1st, 2010 at 1:56pm:
What if our DNA contains memories from all of our ancestors?

That would explain the "deja-vu" phenomena.  It would also explain why we have certain talents and fears that cannot be traced to our own childhood or upbringing.

It would also explain what we think of as  reincarnation.  It's not actually past lives of our own that we are recalling, it's really the lives of all those who preceded us.

Just a thought as I unwind from a couple hours on the tennis court.  Smiley

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Precisely. That is where I was going.

I even have some thoughts which may improve this understanding. The biggest thing that pops out to me is population. By mathematical standards, I cannot come to a logical conclusion that every living person is a reincarnated soul from a past generation. I am pretty positive that the amount of people who have died on earth exceeds 5 billion. Then you have to consider that population grows. You could say that population grows BECAUSE souls reincarnate which each new generation, century, whatever. You could factor in all life on the planet to reincarnation. But you're still dealing with numbers that contradict how many souls exist both here and in the other world.

So lets consider that souls DO reincarnate-- I think its very logical to say that "new" souls arrive in each century/generation/or whatever. If the purpose of reincarnation is evolution through the ages of time on earth, then those new souls are starting pretty late. Either way, you have to consider that reincarnation is an ordered process for spiritual evolution and it just plain doesn't make much sense. It would make sense to me if lust had already filtered out and the population of all species didn't contradict how the population of souls.

But what makes more sense than souls returning to earth each time they die in order to evolve, and also explains deja vu and past life recall? Exactly what we just theorized. That our genetics have recorded the lives of the ancestral DNA. This also supports other theories (as well as my own) that we don't have to return to Earth in death and the rest of our evolution occurs in the planes of the Afterlife. Which I am much more comfortable with. I've never liked the idea of reincarnation unless it was a personal choice.


I think, based on what you are saying regarding numbers of souls and trying to extrapolate the numbers of souls incarnated on earth/new souls/reincarnated souls, etc that you might be misunderstanding the vastness of souls/heaven/universe.  I have no actual idea but the snippets I've gotten have blown my earth-bound mind.

During one reading I sat in a 12x18 room and was told that "souls are really big"...prosaic, yes, but upon additional inquiry, my soul "would fill this room from floor to ceiling, and maybe more."  What we are incarnated with is only a portion. 

Next, the number of souls is essentially inumerable and indefinable from a human perspective...they occupy bodies of various sorts throughout our galaxy and universe in our dimension as well as countless other dimensional levels...and the assumption is that they would be able to occupy a human body with the proper training and desire.  Again, I have been told that there will always be souls willing to fill the availability of human bodies...however some souls have first dibs (said with a smile), i.e. those who have been here before.

My personal experience is that I have memories on earth that go extremely far back, however I have researched those memories of experiences from the American colonial period to the present which I have a fairly well developed delineation from life to life.  It appears that the minimum gap in time is about fifteen years between lives, and as long as thirty.  From 1743 to now I have distinct memories of six lives, two of which I have enough information to research the genetic lineage...there is no genetic connection between my current ancestors and those with whom I was before.

I do not know with what frequency other people reincarnate, or even if there is a standard timeframe...I suppose it comes down to free will, another hot topic here, to determine what our chosen frequency might be.  If it is true, as I've been told, the number of lives we may have lived is in the thousands, who is to say there is any finite number involved?  And if there is any genetic connection it is purely because that was the opportunity chosen between lives.  Again with free will, we can choose not to reincarnate and simply develop our souls in the afterlife, but there are certainly some of us who have hung around this orb for millenia.

I guess, then, Stone, that from my standpoint you are trying to put a number on the inconceivable, and placing a limitation on the limitless.  Just my point of view.
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Reply #10 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 9:05pm
 
Along with my fear that death ends all consciousness is this whole other "what if"

What if I am like a clone and the real "spirit" me is watching it all and when the clone/body me dies that's it for this body me and consciousness and the spirit me lives on but it's not the same... you know? lol.
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Reply #11 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 9:13pm
 
I have searched high and wide and I have found no reasonable evidence that consciousness, however it came to be, is not fundamental. I process information (the data stream) constantly 24/7. My local memory may not retain it all, but it is going on none the less. I hold this truth to be SELF evident Wink
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Reply #12 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 9:44pm
 
Yeah along those same lines of information we proccess.. earlier I was on the computer reading the forum hoping for more replies to my post that would make me feel better and my wife was sitting on the couch going "blah blah blah, blah blah blah. blah blah blah blah blah blah. Then later she was asking me what she wanted to get at walmart cause she couldn't remember what she said and she was freaking out about how she couldn't remember. I sat there a moment and thought about each thing it could be and bam there it was. I was able to remember what she said even though I was really REALLY not paying attention. Apparently everything she said to me is stored up there in my head, all I have to do is focus and pull it out.
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Reply #13 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 10:30pm
 
I just don't see the point of returning to earth. I don't see how if people reincarnate it helps anything. Look at the world. Wouldn't it make more sense if we came back while knowing what we needed to do? Maybe i'm putting limitation on the limitless but how much of this can be considered a fantasy? I'm judging by laws and logic because I assume they still exist outside of this world. Reincarnation just does not seem like a logical system. Especially if you have no control as to who or what you reincarnate as because regardless, who you are and who you become is very much affected by this physical world, how you're brought up, your environment, etc. Psychology still plays its role.

We're going to learn very slowly if we have to keep coming back here and refreshing our memories and it takes 20+ years to actually realize you're more than human. Our spirits would do better to evolve in the Afterlife and allow the physical world to work itself out. Otherwise whats even the point of the afterlife if the afterlife is just coming back here every time to be a completely different person created by his or her environment? Its silly.

I figure we're all just a speck in the personality of God, living infinite multiple realities through its gaze. If reincarnation was real, then what I just proposed is probably true and death is the end of that reality for god and it experiences a new one. Everything just goes out the door, and it pretty much DOES mean we completely lose consciousness in death. Because I don't want to become someone else. I don't want to be god. I want to be me and I want eternal life in a paradise. I want to travel the cosmos with THIS personality and THIS mind. If that disappears, then I disappear. And if I disappear, then death truly is death. Reincarnation is some silly excuse for eternal life. That's eternal life for something inside me, but it isn't eternal life for ME.

I would think you would have to really not like yourself to be ok with that concept. But I do like myself and that whole "lose the ego" or what makes you YOU is to accept death and the end of yourself. If my soul goes on and I lose everything that makes me ME, then how is that not true death? If I lived before this life, that person is gone. Its consciousness is gone and replaced by me?

Believing in reincarnation doesn't seem to be that much different from believing that death is the end of all consciousness of who you are in this life. It isn't logical. And if your argument is that everything which is logical dies with your death...then I am not pleased and death becomes something to not have any hope in.
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Reply #14 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 10:43pm
 
Of course, this is based on if reincarnation is not a choice. If it is a choice, then I can get down with that. I can accept that my prior conscious knew of what I do not find acceptable now and was okay with it. Perhaps because maybe it knew it would do good things and redeem any other transgressions and now the "it" is me and we've agreed we're going to continue doing good things in this life and at death I will not return to this Earth but explore the others. Unless the afterlife gets boring and reincarnating is the only real escape from it. But from what I have read of Bruce's take on the afterlife, Victor Zammit's, and what has been conveyed to psychics and mediums...the Afterlife is a place you definitely will not want to leave once you're settled in.
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