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Re: Some reincarnation thoughts with actor as SELF
Reply #30 - Apr 2^nd, 2010 at 8:00pm

yeah I agree that there might be a director. BUT if the ensemble (group of actors) are very skilled they can each direct themselves and grow from the experience and every one still has free will they just have to set up a rule set that is agreed upon in the beginning...like say, the golden rule. Director or self direction either way I think the metaphor holds up pretty well.

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Reply #31 - Apr 3^rd, 2010 at 7:31am

Well the thing about what I conceive of this director is that it now works as more of an audience. It only offers temporary guidance but is most curious as to simply observe the performance itself. Seeing as how it did all the other work, the whole point to the director's unique vision is that it can become part of the audience and leave the rest to the actors.

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Reply #32 - Apr 3^rd, 2010 at 8:29am

I think I saw you post this Stone, something about not needing to be reincarnated and I have to say that I really agree in many ways.

Firstly, as great as life is and it's fun and interesting, it is also scary and filled with pain and loss. Add to that the fact that you enter and leave the world (generally) having no clue what and if there is anything after your death which can add a whole new level of fear and hysteria and it just doesn't seem worth it.

Secondly, it would seem to me that as energy once we are dead we would be able to manifest in a psychical form even if it is still a mental psychical form and then we could do and experience all the things we do here anyway with literally no limits. Why not just stay there? Why would we NOT have that option? Personally as good as life here is, I think my fear of death which almost ruins my life makes me think it would have been better if I had stayed where I was. That is, unless are parents actually are creating life and consciousness when they have a baby and reincarnation is not actually a factor. Oh well... I don't know really.

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Starcraft Ex Member	Re: Some reincarnation thoughts with actor as SELF Reply #33 - Apr 3^rd, 2010 at 9:19am Sorry for double post, but this is for the other end of the spectrum... Let's say reincarnation exist... Then it would theoretically be possible for my dead cat to purposefully come back so we could be together more than once on my same lifetime.
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Reply #34 - Apr 3^rd, 2010 at 9:27am

YES! The director is the audience but the director is everything...perhaps? even the actors, now that is a thought. I think (at this moment) that perhaps non physical reality is much like unsculpted clay and what we bring back each time gives more dimension to The Afterlife or however you want to look at the Non Physical. As far as coming back here I would only say that when I was young there were thousands of roles I wanted to play on the stage and even film, but as I've gotten older I only go on stage once or twice a year instead of doing a show every day. Perhaps as we progress the need to come back here in order to bring more back to the other work in progress (Non Physical) becomes less of an attraction. It's the idea of separation that trips us up when we are here, I think. We are the director, the actor, even the scenery..? once the ego is surpassed. I can wrap my head around how I can one with it all, but sometimes I can't figure out how YOU can be one with all but we still could have a conversation unless that conversation is all in OUR head. Well its food for thought for me anyway.

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Reply #35 - Apr 3^rd, 2010 at 11:21am

Beau wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2010 at 9:27am:

YES! The director is the audience but the director is everything...perhaps? even the actors, now that is a thought. I think (at this moment) that perhaps non physical reality is much like unsculpted clay and what we bring back each time gives more dimension to The Afterlife or however you want to look at the Non Physical. As far as coming back here I would only say that when I was young there were thousands of roles I wanted to play on the stage and even film, but as I've gotten older I only go on stage once or twice a year instead of doing a show every day. Perhaps as we progress the need to come back here in order to bring more back to the other work in progress (Non Physical) becomes less of an attraction. It's the idea of separation that trips us up when we are here, I think. We are the director, the actor, even the scenery..? once the ego is surpassed. I can wrap my head around how I can one with it all, but sometimes I can't figure out how YOU can be one with all but we still could have a conversation unless that conversation is all in OUR head. Well its food for thought for me anyway.

I think you are right on, Beau, and it goes as well with an overall view of reincarnation. As younger souls we always played with apparant separation, were wholly in character, and dove into everything, playing any and every role. When we began to see glimpses of the backstage, began to hear the director giving helpful suggestions, we played our roles with greater purpose, understanding and satisfaction...and achieved greater results, thus diminishing our need, and maybe desire, to play just anything.

I really like your metaphor...

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Reply #36 - Apr 3^rd, 2010 at 11:35am

Thank you Usetawuz,

The metaphor constantly evolves for me but always comes back to its simplicity and I really like that. From my studies I have learned that the art of Theatre predates religion by great lengths (I realize many would disagree) but communication was first in my opinion and that is what this metaphor is all about for me. The problem was someone deciding that one play was The Way...ridiculous when you look at it from that perspective. Life learns from art and art grows from the experience of Life and so forth. It satisfies the circle for me.

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Reply #37 - Apr 3^rd, 2010 at 5:32pm

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As far as coming back here I would only say that when I was young there were thousands of roles I wanted to play on the stage and even film, but as I've gotten older I only go on stage once or twice a year instead of doing a show every day. Perhaps as we progress the need to come back here in order to bring more back to the other work in progress (Non Physical) becomes less of an attraction.

I like this. I have always wanted to do something special with my life. Not just live ordinarily and have a job which I do not love. I wanted to be in a spotlight. Not for money or anything like that, but just to entertain. I've really always wanted to be involved with music. I've made a few attempts to get something working but it always falls short. I finally got to a point where my biggest dream was to perform vocals in a rock/metal band. I have not allowed this dream to disappear and I am very much still planning to follow it. My goal was to finish school and my other responsibilities and then focus on the things I want to do with this life.

When I took psilocybin I was able to see much of my past and what I thought could be my future. I could actually see myself on stage with the mic, entertaining a crowd. Perhaps this vision was out of the desire, or perhaps the vision was premeditated. Either way it could have something to do with what you said, Beau. I want to use that form of entertainment to influence other people. Not just write about angry, negative things. But introduce concepts and invoke influence. That would be my contribution to the world in this life.

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Reply #38 - Apr 3^rd, 2010 at 5:45pm

That's excellent Stone. When I was younger I wanted to have an influence on others because I thought I was on to something, but I must confess that now I am more interested in growing and sharing, but I have a tiny fear of actually thinking of that sharing as having an influence, but I get where you are coming from.

I see my first moment as I pass over as this: Some guy comes over to me and hands me my guitar and ushers me on stage and I perform all the tunes I've sat on in this life. It's a fantasy, you know.

I remember kind of praying once because I had a desire to perform music in public but I have a terrible memory for lyrics because they have to be timed to the music. Very shortly after that "prayer" I learned of Karaoke. Ain't that a kick. And now it's not impossible to put my own lyrics on the DVD with my own music. Pretty cool.

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