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Reply #15 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 10:44pm
 
You know how when you're dreaming you can't remember very much about your waking life? Well, I think when you die it must be something like waking up from a dream. You have the memories, but you have a bigger picture of who you really are.
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Reply #16 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 10:53pm
 
I can see that I guess. Making this all a true virtual reality. A long, long game of The Sims. A real Matrix. I'm sure I will understand a lot more as I get older and will eventually find most of what I need to expect for when I die. I like being prepared.
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Reply #17 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 11:28pm
 
Stone,your right when you get to the spirit world,you never want to leave.but if you still have some learning to do,you will be sent back untill you know it all.Then you will stay in the afterlife.if you do come back,you will not lose anything that you learned in this life.
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Reply #18 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 11:55pm
 
I think if there is any one thing or lesson that people need to be sent back for it is to do something great for someone else. To practice compassion and understand that it will give you the greatest value to life. To commit an act for the good of humanity rather than living by indulgence. If this was the lesson for every soul, then that would truly bring peace. I know many who have learned this lesson, but it seems many, many more would rather ignore it.
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Reply #19 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 7:34am
 
Compassion is a wonderful quality because it brings its own rewards, but in my youth I used to go looking for people to help like some super hero or something. Those experiences by and large were not very productive. So if I am faced with a choice I will usually make the compassionate one but I don't go looking for it anymore.

I still wonder about people who get out of their cars on the interstate, you know? I mean I'm driving so fast I can't really pull over but I always check to see how flustered they look to try and gage if it is an emergency for them. And it sounds like New Age BS but I send a wish of a speedy recovery to them BUT I almost never stop. Once in a while the urge to stop will be over powering and I do and the feeling I get from it is quite the high.
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Reply #20 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 12:21pm
 
Beau,

I do the same thing. I thought this the other night actually. I considered that my inability to stop was more out of fear and the conscious fact that the world is very full of deceptive and bad people. Despite that I wish to be more compassionate, I still have to be cautious. I would prefer to just be compassionate to those I meet, in communities, doing volunteer work/making contributions, and focusing directly on the people in my life. Influencing those closest to you should influence them to the same with others and so on and so on. Compassion should work like a domino effect. The problem is that there are many dominos which are out of the line.
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Reply #21 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 12:23pm
 
Stone, I will try to address some of your comments with my understanding and experience...not that this is the TRUTH, but it is my truth.

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Reincarnation just does not seem like a logical system. Especially if you have no control as to who or what you reincarnate as because regardless, who you are and who you become is very much affected by this physical world, how you're brought up, your environment, etc


One cannot assess logic without knowledge of all the facts...as incarnate beings on earth we do not have access to all the facts and cannot assess the logic of the system.  As characters acting on the stage, we play our parts without necessarily having the big picture...that doesn't keep us from playing our roles.  As a soul you have free will...you choose which human body incarnating here you wish to occupy, together with the events, trials and tribulations that particular body will live through, thus giving your soul the experiences it seeks.  You do have control...in fact your life as it is right now, was chosen by you through your free will, and, in keeping with Beau's thread...you chose the role of Stone on the stage of earth...right now you are truly "in character".  You, as that character, will have all the memories from your role which you will hold for and on behalf of your soul, and which cannot be forgotten by a being, of which you are a part, which is perfect and forgets nothing.  As for physical or environmental effects on your role as Stone, these are the twists in the plot or props on stage which force us to make hard decisions and require some level of extemporaneous acting...fun, isn't it?

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We're going to learn very slowly if we have to keep coming back here and refreshing our memories and it takes 20+ years to actually realize you're more than human. Our spirits would do better to evolve in the Afterlife and allow the physical world to work itself out. Otherwise whats even the point of the afterlife if the afterlife is just coming back here every time to be a completely different person created by his or her environment? Its silly


Learning slowly tends not to matter too much if you have forever in which to do it.  Linear time, as we know it, plods along second, by minute, by hour, by day, by month and by year.  We focus our events in such a linear fashion and it is how we function in this third dimensional world.  Where we come from there is no sense of time, so learning and experiencing come as and when desired in the sense of a soul.  Time only counts on the stage of earth, as we cannot expect to be the center of attention forever! 

The afterlife is "home"...as a soul we come here to experience, to learn and to enjoy.   Also, how many times have you read the lesson in the book and thought you knew how to do it only to find when you actually stepped up to the plate to perform you were wondering "what the heck?"  A life incarnate, away from home, gives you the chance to test your training, to walk the walk, to learn through a "live fire" exercise, so to speak.

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If reincarnation was real, then what I just proposed is probably true and death is the end of that reality for god and it experiences a new one. Everything just goes out the door, and it pretty much DOES mean we completely lose consciousness in death. Because I don't want to become someone else. I don't want to be god. I want to be me and I want eternal life in a paradise. I want to travel the cosmos with THIS personality and THIS mind. If that disappears, then I disappear. And if I disappear, then death truly is death. Reincarnation is some silly excuse for eternal life. That's eternal life for something inside me, but it isn't eternal life for ME.


I do think reincarnation is real,  however I do not agree with your follow-on suppositions.  I do not see reincarnation as illogical, nor that it is a pointless series of empty lives and forgotten memories.  I do not think death is the end, as the energy, the ego, the role played by Stone on earth, lives on as part of that soul and part of God.  After physical death your consciousness develops full knowledge of the truth of it all...no longer simply the truth of Stone acting as a separate entity on the stage of earth.  You have and live a life in eternal paradise and will do so with this personality together with the rest of you...this personality, or role is your soul's current foray onto the stage of earth and it cannot wait to finish here to bring backstage all the wonderful experiences, stories, impressions you gained from your life as Stone.  You, as Stone, will not disappear, will not be forgotten, will not become unconscious...on the contrary, you will be living in paradise with all the consciousness, memories and experiences as Stone, together with the whole consciousness of every other person, experience, role your soul has ever played before.  Your soul is the actor and Stone is the character, or role you play...the actor remembers every part of every role he has ever played, and the thoughts, feelings, ideas, and memories of each role as well...Stone is one of those roles, and your soul can slip into any role he chooses to relive at any time.

Another way to look at it is that you are a portion of your soul...a portion that cannot see the big picture for purposes of playing this role.  When your physical Stone dies, the blinders come off and you see your soul in its entirety, you see how you acted, you see why you acted the way you did, you reflect on the matters you would have handled differently and you revel in the wonderful opportunity you just enjoyed. 

As for your final posit, my computer will not allow me to quote it here, but in response, I do not agree that the idea of reincarnation is illogical and that death is the end of that body/soul's consciousness for the reasons previously stated.  I have provided my perpsective on the points you have raised and I hope that they may help in some way.
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Reply #22 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 1:01pm
 
usetawuz,

Thank you for taking the time to post and yes it does give me  a better perspective. I think a lot and I theorize a lot and my spirituality isn't even six months old. I still have many questions and concerns. Sometimes I think my mind is a little too much for my age and I really just need to relax and take the ride to love and guidance. I can't really control the outcome of what really happens beyond making the best decisions I know how to. Eventually I think I will be ready to really make some discoveries and hopefully when I am dying as an old man I will be at peace with all of my thoughts,.
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Reply #23 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 1:17pm
 
I've said this before, but I highly recommend Monroe's 7th CD in the Going Home series for having an understanding of what we're talking about here. He never says Actor vs Character or anything like that but the way he pushes one past one's own Character into the Actor realization is very enlightening. It's a great starting point.
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Reply #24 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 3:27pm
 
I definitely have a hard time believing that the soul knew of the events which take place in the body it inhabits. That doesn't even make sense, really. Looking at myself it could make sense, but when thinking of other people and the events of other lives I find it pretty hard to believe anything would choose that.

Unless of course we play with the concept of solipsism. Which could mean that either I am the only true consciousness on this planet or that everyone which appears to have heightened consciousness  are the only true souls and everyone and everything else is consciously playing its part. The stage/earth was created directly for me and nothing actually exists until I am conscious of it. It would basically be just like that movie The Truman Show, just on a much larger scale. And just like Truman felt at the end of the movie, I would be disappointed to find nothing was truly as genuine as I perceived it.

But I will not believe things are that way. In continuing the metaphor, I believe that indeed the world is the stage and everything within it are the props. Every one of us are the actors but the performance is completely impromptu to both the actor and the character.

If the director was ever present it basically says "This is the character. This is the name. This is the environment. Now you must become the character and impromptu the performance based on how you perceive the character."

I have done this in video games which allow free will of the character you control. I do not always know how the events will be for the actions I decide for the character as the developers of the game only know that. And just like the character in the game I am programmed to have no idea I'm being controlled or I am controlling myself and my audience is just invisible.

Though imagine what is the better game. The open world game where the story has already been written by the developers and experienced unknowingly by the player, or the Massive Multiplayer Online open world game where there is no written story and the story unfolds separately through the events and actions of each player in the game.

If the latter was ever achieved as a game it would be a masterpiece. Or back to the other metaphor, a director and crew establishes only the stage and the props and gives all of the actors a character but allows them complete freedom to impromptu the performance of the character. Though no one knows how the performance will play out, this is the entire aesthetic of the concept which entertains every single individual/being involved.

I hope I have made that understandable. Perhaps there is a script, but I find it more unique if there is not one. One could ask "Then what purpose does the director serve?" If you have a director which has served as the means behind the stagecraft, prop craft, visual effects, casting, and everything that goes into the building of a movie or a play then that is enough purpose. Now the director can allow its unique vision to commence, and like any performance--the director solely relies and keeps confidence in the actors to keep the performance going.
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Reply #25 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 3:52pm
 
Ok. Wow. After I typed all of this I started thinking more and more about this metaphor. The more I thought the more I could attribute this metaphor to life. Or really any entertainment arts. This could really help people understand life. I'm going to continue reflecting on it and considering it to others.
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Reply #26 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 3:55pm
 
But remember Stone, even when two or more actors create characters that improvise the Actor is still ultimately in control. The character may hate the another character but the Actor may be going home with that other actor at the end of the night. The direction is coming from somewhere always even if it appears to be from the character self perhaps it actually comes from a higher response. And isn't it possible that syncronicity is a nudge from the higher self to remind us that we are not alone in our endeavors...that we are one with the larger superset to our character driven subset?
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Reply #27 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 4:42pm
 
Absolutely. I get nudges all the time. Sometimes in physical form. I just always wonder if this is the actor or the director. Intuition tells me its the actor. Plus, there are so many things available to improve the performance. And I suppose this whole rise in consciousness is just the increase in recognizing the actor to the character.

I do life reviews all the time. I am always thinking of my past experiences and decisions, or of those around me. This has formed my personality more than anything else. I can look at an event where something went wrong and see precisely what I must do to not allow it to happen again. There is also not a single event in my life that I can't find where I benefited in some way or another. Even the worst things. I could stare anyone in the eye and honestly say I have no regrets. I would change nothing of my past because it would change who I am today and erase the lesson. I've always wondered why this is so rare among all I have encountered.
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Reply #28 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 6:38pm
 
Well I look at it like this: If the actor is directing then the actor is the director and I think that is always the case. Ultimately there is no separation in my humble view.
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Reply #29 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 7:30pm
 
Well that wouldn't be any different from how an actor directs itself in a real movie or play. But there is always a separate director to the performance overseeing its creation. TECHNICALLY everything is a director. I'm directing myself to type this right now.

But in regards to the metaphor, I think you should separate the director from the actor. The actor does indeed direct the ability of its performance, but there is still an overseer to the entire thing, including all of the actors involved.
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