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Mar 25th, 2010 at 1:50am
 
If you're reading this I ask that you do not stop. I know I can ramble at times and my posts are long, but I only provoke thought. I will make statements which may contradict your beliefs. Know that what I state is what I have come to understand and believe and that I am not even close to a full on understanding. This is all just reasoning and enlightenment between us. I accept your comments as one day I hope to revise all that I write and create a book. I still have much to learn and discover.

Alan Watts once said "To the best of our knowledge every one of us is going to suffer and die. If, then, we cannot live happily without an assured future, we are certainly not adapted to living in a finite world where, despite the best plans, accidents will happen, and where death comes at the end. This, then, is the human problem: there is a price to be paid for every increase in consciousness...For if our desires are out of accord with anything that the finite world can offer, it might seem that our nature is not of this world, that our hearts are made, not for the finite, but for infinity...But if we are citizens of this world, and if there can be no final satisfaction of the soul's discontent, has not nature, in bringing forth man, made a serious mistake?"

I think the first step to really reaching a higher consciousness is very seriously proposing the question "Why do I exist?" As far as I know I did not ask for life. So many things are placed before me and not of my choosing. My physical appearance. My family. The life provided by my family. My name. This planet. Everything that life was, is, and will be.

I have considered that by nature I am a philosopher and a psychologist. I do not have deep educational knowledge of these things but I have abilities to think deeply, reason and to understand people and get in touch with their psyche.

For some reason unknown to me, I have reached a level of consciousness which has made me uncomfortable for several months. I must have lived 22 years of this life without ever truly being bothered as to why I exist and what happens when I die. But after turning 23, I now find myself in a position which is most unique in comparison to what is around me. I think of my peers and my generation. I think of how television and this age of "Twilight, Twitter, and Facebook" is so very tiny in comparison to what so, so, so ,so many people ignore. They live and they do not question.

So why do I question? Why am I capable of perceiving that life is strange? What has made me capable at 23 to understand that there is so much more to life? That my once contented beliefs that life was just life and we cease to exist completely in death have vanished. This increase in understanding and increase in a search for knowledge seems so very rare, and that increase has made my mind restless.

Could it be that I have lived on this earth in a past life? Could it be that residing within me is an even higher consciousness with the answers I seek? Answers discovered before and now being reclaimed. If this is true, then my soul is perhaps even older than my parents. How can that be? They're double my age and don't seem to have even close to my ability to think deeply and reason.

I have begun to settle in my thoughts. Fear has decreased inside me and I am moving closer to making the next steps toward discovery. I think it is a purpose and a calling and I feel a sense of appeasement at the thought that this knowledge will make my transition through the afterlife so much easier. But I still have much to do. There is still hate within me. Judgment and prejudice. But I can recognize it and I know that my understanding of love and compassion is very high.

Is the increase in consciousness the soul's journey back to itself? Was this always planned? Was I never to live a full life without these questions as my mother and father have done? Did I make this decision to live again, or was it decided for me? Life now is nothing like the life I can see in my memories. It's hardly the same person. I see a person who knows and understands so very little. A person which ignores all of which I no longer ignore.

So then comes a question beyond my own existence, but why do humans exist? What is the point of our lives? I almost feel as if I have the answer. It's enlightenment. It's evolution. We exist simply because we just do and its beyond our control. But our purpose is truth, knowledge, and love. It is to reach the highest state of being. To love yourself and everything in existence. We are to evolve...for eternity, and we will find so much warmth that eternity itself will be its own gift. That our love and happiness will be so intense that we will wish it to never end and that wish will be granted.

Everything I have conveyed here rests within my mind and I have shared it. I do not know its accuracy and I do not know its intent, but regardless it is there. Some thoughts it seems were there to begin with and only accessed upon retrieval. As knowledge is something we take in, thought already resides.
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Reply #1 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 2:12am
 
Hi Stone,

In your eleven paragraghs you have pretty much dealt with the total content of a college course I once took , called "The Human Condition." Even your questions, just by the way you have worded them, infer the answers we also searched out. The only advantage to the course was the booklist they suggested (required?) so that we could see how others through the ages have dealt with the same concerns.

I'm not sure how rhetorical your questions seem to you. You seem to me to be well on your way to having those answers!

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Reply #2 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 3:59am
 
betson wrote on Mar 25th, 2010 at 2:12am:
Hi Stone,

In your eleven paragraghs you have pretty much dealt with the total content of a college course I once took , called "The Human Condition." Even your questions, just by the way you have worded them, infer the answers we also searched out. The only advantage to the course was the booklist they suggested (required?) so that we could see how others through the ages have dealt with the same concerns.

I'm not sure how rhetorical your questions seem to you. You seem to me to be well on your way to having those answers!

Bets


Most of the questions are questions I still have. It's interesting because essentially access to the answers is right in front of me. But I still have some fear to finding the truth. I understand that by discovering many of these answers that my life will be changed forever. Probably for the better, but while half of me is questioning the other half is saying "Slow down. There's plenty of time. Lets take it one step after another."

I think really my biggest fear is making these discoveries on my own. I know thats kind of the point but its comforting to have someone join you in knowledge and walk with you on the path. I do know one person who understands as I do and would probably be willing to find the answers with me.

I remember he actually said to me not long ago "We all know each other." Like our group of friends had been friends for lifetimes. That's really comforting to me if its true.
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Reply #3 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 9:40pm
 
Hi Stone,

Any change in basic beliefs can be unsetttling, even fearsome. Are you reading Bruce Moen's books?  His gift is to take the fearsomeness out of 'the unknown' and bring out its familiarity that we all know at some buried level.  I can tell you already know also, by the waay you word your questions.

You have the advantages of a good mind and good friends. Please also consider that people here share your same interests and enjoy discussing these topics with you. That makes us also your friends  Smiley
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Reply #4 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 10:42pm
 
Classic questions, SCT.

What Alan Watts said in your quote philosopher Kant had written similarly. He wrote we have an ability (which he calls "reason") which is the ability of principles. This ability takes things from our experience in space/time and makes principles of them which are going to the absolute.

I guess most of your questions can't be answered in the same form you asked them, in language. For example, the "why" questions. Within these "why" questions are assumptions, which might not match what really is. In that case, there would be no true answer as the question isn't adequate. And, questions have many meanings. The question "Why do I exist?" could mean, "What is my task?" or "What is the goal of this overall evolution?" but it can as well mean "How comes there are souls?" and, too, "How comes there is an 'I' and what the heck is it?"

I have asked those kind of questions in my phasing sessions. The answers indeed indicated that my questions were quite... let's say, narrow-minded.

The main question I think remains "What am I" (including the meaning what "I" actually is). But as I said, a satisfying answer cannot be transmitted by language only.

But it is good that you ask these questions. It means there is something going on.

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Reply #5 - Mar 26th, 2010 at 12:01am
 
"What is the point of our lives?...It's enlightenment. It's evolution..But our purpose is truth, knowledge, and love. It is to reach the highest state of being. To love yourself and everything in existence. We are to evolve...for eternity."
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Let's assume that you are correct.  If our purpose is "enlightenment," what is that and who or what cares that we fulfill this purpose?  Who or what decided that your purpose is truth, knowledge, and love increasingly mastered through evolution?  Does this purpose make sense apart from a Creator who, however conceptualized, has love as part of His (Its) essence?  Does your provisional position not imply a Creator who wants to explore infinite ways of expressing and evolving love?  Why would reincarnation on this earth need to be part of this plan?  Why, for example, might we not instead evolve through many heavenly planes, each posing its own unique challenges and opportunities to express love and grow in this virtue?  What might it mean to have a cosmic purpose apart from a First Cause or Creator that assigns this purpose?   

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Reply #6 - Mar 26th, 2010 at 12:03am
 
Bets,

I'm going to start reading the books soon. My biggest hurdle right now is certainly fear and more specifically I think it could be fear of truth. I think a lot of people with faith never explore beyond the belief to find truth. The fantasy of it all makes life more interesting and still leaves that room for doubt which all equals up to that saying "ignorance is bliss."

Like my mother raised me as a christian and has always been one and has known I have not been one for many years. She has come to realize I am exploring spirituality but when I speak to her of the afterlife I sense a hesitation to her. The other day I was talking to her about it and she said maybe I should not be thinking about all of this stuff. It kind of confused me.

But I do believe that as I keep exploring and start to read Bruce's books and such that this fear will fade and I will discover what I'm looking for.

Spooky,

One other thing I have considered is that perhaps another large lesson for us is acceptance of what is. I have often thought "why is life this way and not another way? Why is it designed in such particularity?"

And I think it could be that the answer to many of our philosophical questions is the same answer we hated to get from our parents when we were kids. "Just because."

The answers are even the same for things humans create. "Why is it designed THAT way."
"Because it works that way."

Our understanding of god now may be different in death, or perhaps it is exactly as we perceive it to be. I would much rather not be surprised. As it stands without any evidence or mental exploration, my mind conceives that "God" is incognitive energy made of creation, knowledge, and love and that Christ is the physical manifestation. This theory is the strongest of several lingering within me.

I think my task and my purpose is no more complex than just to live, learn, and love. In this world and in the next. But in this world before I die I want to give something back. I want to leave a mark however big or small which brings inspiration to further generations. That is a task I have given to myself.

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Reply #7 - Mar 26th, 2010 at 12:14am
 
If we simply consider the evidence of NDEs, then the greatest common denominator of these experiences is that our purpose is pure unconditional love and knowledge.  One of the truly frustrating issues arising from NDEs is the nature of the knowledge that is part of our purpose.  The stress in NDEs SEEMS to fall on "spiritual" knowledge.  But apart from knowledge of how to better express love, the meaning of "spiritual" is unclear from NDEs as a whole.

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Reply #8 - Mar 26th, 2010 at 12:41am
 
Don,

Just to be clear, I am not announcing that our enlightenment is restricted to this earth. It only begins here. And to answer your questions (despite any rhetorical ones) in sequence to the best of my ability:

If our purpose is "enlightenment," what is that and who or what cares that we fulfill this purpose?

Enlightenment is to become love. The creator(s).

Who or what decided that your purpose is truth, knowledge, and love increasingly mastered through evolution? 


The creator(s).

Does this purpose make sense apart from a Creator who, however conceptualized, has love as part of His (Its) essence? 

Yes, even if there was no cognitive creator at all it makes sense to me.

Does your provisional position not imply a Creator who wants to explore infinite ways of expressing and evolving love? 


Perhaps it does.

Why would reincarnation on this earth need to be part of this plan?

If reincarnation is possible, I conceive that it is a personal decision made by the soul and not of the creator. But why would a soul choose to return to earth and not continue into the planes of paradise? Because we aren't all the same.

Why, for example, might we not instead evolve through many heavenly planes, each posing its own unique challenges and opportunities to express love and grow in this virtue? 

I haven't found too many concepts of the afterlife which do not express this.

What might it mean to have a cosmic purpose apart from a First Cause or Creator that assigns this purpose? 

I believe there is a cosmic purpose and that purpose is infinite. It makes sense to me that if there is an afterlife and that we continue to evolve that at some point we will BECOME a creator. More than just the power of the mind but we will find the capability to create our own worlds and life. And the process repeats and repeats and repeats through infinite worlds and infinite universes by way of reaching the full power of love.

Or do you believe we will always be limited to god?

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