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Mar 8th, 2010 at 6:25pm
 
Hello everyone,

I've come asking for help. I have a fear of death, it is very debilitating and can cause anxiety/panic attacks. It's becoming a bit of an obsessive fascination. Something I can't stop thinking about, no matter how hard I try. I say to myself that I'm being completely irrational, but am I? Is something that is inevitable really classed as a phobia? What scares me the most is the thought of what happens after we die. I don't want to leave people behind. I don't want to not exist anymore. I don't like the idea that once we die, that's it, there is nothing. An eternal nothingness. That terrifies me. Which is why I've come here.

I am open minded. I appreciate and understand the idea of religion. I am on the fence with regards to there being a God of some description or not. I've described myself as Atheist, but in my mind I've always been unsure. I'm also very interested in the idea of an afterlife. I have read stories about near death/out of body experiences and find them very interesting.

What I am asking for from you all is to help me understand the possibility of an afterlife. What exactly has convinced you? Are you 100% certain? What personal experiences have you had? Are you sure it's not your mind playing tricks?

I'd be greatful for any contribution. Thank you for reading!
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Reply #1 - Mar 8th, 2010 at 8:15pm
 
Hello SoldierOn:

I'm so certain the afterlife exists it's ridiculous. I've had many experiences that told me so. I've experienced things that are beyond this world, and where my way of understanding was certain.

On more than one occasion I've received information I didn't know about from my spirit friends, and I was able to confirm it later on.

It sure makes a difference knowing that the afterlife exists. Especially when you've experienced a wonderful heavenlike realm as I have.

Of course, one person's experience isn't another person's experience. Perhaps you can meditate and open yourself up to divine inspiration. Perhaps you can pay attention to your dreams.

Here's how it worked out for me when it comes to dreams. I was going through a period where I was trying to make contact with my spirit guidance. As I meditated I would see different kinds of imagery without knowing why. One night I had three back to back dreams that were so intricate, at the end of the third dream I realized that they were created by an intelligence beyond my own.

I woke up in an expanded state of consciousness and heard a voice say, "just as you found inconsistancies in your dreams, find inconsistencies in your waking state."

Other things took place during this experience, but a key point is that I realized I had made contact with my spirit guidance, and I realized the visual imagery I saw during meditation came from my guidance.  I found that when I asked questions I would receive an answer either through symbolic visual imagery or a short waking dream.

I'm "not" saying you need to make conscious contact with your spirit guidance, just explaining a part of what helped me become certain of the afterlife.
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Reply #2 - Mar 8th, 2010 at 8:35pm
 
SoldierOn wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 6:25pm:
Hello everyone,

obsessive fascination. Something I can't stop thinking about, no matter how hard I try. I say to myself that I'm being completely irrational, but am I? Is something that is inevitable really classed as a phobia?


Ha ha, obsessive fascination, I like that. SoldierOn, I think you are in the most wonderful position in the world, to not know, to constantly wonder, to have a burning thirst for knowledge...shall I go on?

The fear, the anxiety, may be good to lose. I don't see how that can totally subside, because we have a built-in fear/fascination with our own body and how it might die. This constant possibility makes our lives quite exciting, doesn't it?

Have you had any experiences which ever caused you to doubt -- uhm, your doubts? About an afterlife, that is. Anything like what Recoverer has mentioned? Any strange experiences, dreams, nudges in certain directions?

What has 'convinced' me as much as I think I'll ever really be convinced, is how similar so many people's stories are, that there is 'something' in the great beyond we call death. And, once you start to look at it, 'something' appears to be interacting with us. It's about as much fun as anything else I've ever done, just taking a look at death, and listening to everyone's stories about it.


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Reply #3 - Mar 8th, 2010 at 10:09pm
 
SoldierOn wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 6:25pm:
Hello everyone,

I've come asking for help. I have a fear of death, it is very debilitating and can cause anxiety/panic attacks. It's becoming a bit of an obsessive fascination. Something I can't stop thinking about, no matter how hard I try. I say to myself that I'm being completely irrational, but am I? Is something that is inevitable really classed as a phobia? What scares me the most is the thought of what happens after we die. I don't want to leave people behind. I don't want to not exist anymore. I don't like the idea that once we die, that's it, there is nothing. An eternal nothingness. That terrifies me. Which is why I've come here.

I am open minded. I appreciate and understand the idea of religion. I am on the fence with regards to there being a God of some description or not. I've described myself as Atheist, but in my mind I've always been unsure. I'm also very interested in the idea of an afterlife. I have read stories about near death/out of body experiences and find them very interesting.

What I am asking for from you all is to help me understand the possibility of an afterlife. What exactly has convinced you? Are you 100% certain? What personal experiences have you had? Are you sure it's not your mind playing tricks?

I'd be greatful for any contribution. Thank you for reading!


Hi Soldier On: Love... all you need is love. Pore all the love you can muster into any thought of the fear that comes up... then as you are doing this use a BM technique presented by one of his nonphysical adventure partners... see it and feel it 'not there'! Get BM's AKG and do the Heart Intelligence and Love energy exercise with dedication.

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Reply #4 - Mar 8th, 2010 at 10:50pm
 
Greetings SoldierOn  Smiley

The reason that I trust that my mind is not playing tricks on me with these afterlife experiences is that the effects are so much more powerful and amazing than I could put together by myself.  Some other beneficent Power has to be involved !

Previous to coming to this site and following Moen's methods, I'd had a few random psychic experiences and they only made my fears more strong. But Bruce Moen's methods have calmed that and make it possible to participate in many loving aspects of the afterlife.  I hope you'll read as much of his methods as you can find so that you can experience the amazing effects for yourself.

We are all connected, SoldierOn. Becoming aware of those connections is part of the effects of afterlife exploration and learning. When you discover your connections you'll find the proof that your life is not separated and it goes on into infinity  Smiley

Please feel free to ask and share whatever questions and experiences you may want more information on.  Viewpoints here are based personal experiences as well as Moen's approach, so you'll get honest and somewhat varied reactions that can help you find your own way.

Welcome!
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Reply #5 - Mar 8th, 2010 at 11:10pm
 
As a human being incarnate, you will die.  What is to fear?  It is going to happen at some point...we all hope later rather than sooner.  If you have done your best at living life to the fullest and minimizing the hurt you cause others...what is to fear? 

To fear means to accept that there is something else you could have done to effect a difference.  If you do not know what difference you could have made, then it is incumbent on you to do a diligent search of various ways of living life to find that which resonates the most clearly for you,  whether it was to fulfill manmade dogmatic requirements through organized religion, or through a concerted effort to maintain a pure lifestyle, or through an effort to live your life to the fullest every moment of every day and do your best by your fellow man.  Whichever one of these or anything that you can develop for yourself may resonate with you to provide you a tool to get past the fear, to know that you did what was right for you and to leave all fear behind and to start living through love, then at the appropriate time, a death that is expected, well received and ultimately, a relief and reward.  You have to accept whatever happens after you die...it cannot be controlled...and why worry about something you cannot control?

The important thing is to do something...to not fear the results of your choice and live your life and the opportunities it presents to the fullest.  Do not fear the unknown, because you cannot know it until you go to the other sided...do not waste your life wondering about what you should do and do what resonates inside you as the proper direction to take. 

Of course, this is my own method arrived at through my own paroxysms...you must find your, and therein lies the fun of living life.  Enjoy!
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Reply #6 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 9:50pm
 
I had the same problem, this site, the books of Bruce and then the books of mediums I had come to believe to be genuine. Until you have the experiences some of the people here have had I doubt you will totally lose the fear but you can certainly help reduce it as i did.

recoverer wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 8:15pm:
Here's how it worked out for me when it comes to dreams. I was going through a period where I was trying to make contact with my spirit guidance. As I meditated I would see different kinds of imagery without knowing why. One night I had three back to back dreams that were so intricate, at the end of the third dream I realized that they were created by an intelligence beyond my own.


Do you have any meditation books, cd's etc you can recommend?
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Reply #7 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 12:25am
 
SoldierOn,

I have shared a similar fear for the past few months. It hasn't been so extreme that it has kept me from living my life, but I have not been able to go to sleep at night for the past few weeks because of my anxiety and thoughts about death and the meaning of life. I find that the quiet of the night is no longer as relaxing as it once was as it just gives my mind more of an ability to think when I don't want it to. I find it much easier to sleep at the rise of the sun, hearing birds, etc. I now drive everyday thinking about how I or someone else could make a mistake and I could die. The idea of death greets my mind every single day and until today it has really bothered me and I haven't had any idea on where to look or who to talk to.

I've never had any clue on what the afterlife is, but I've known for a long time what I refused to accept it to be. I've always found been very displeased with the idea that I may be damned for not believing or having "faith." But I refuse to give in to such pitiful beliefs. Upon discovering this site and a few others I've found enough knowledge that ties to each other as well as my very own belief on an afterlife with reason.

That general "I don't want to die" feeling will probably never fade. Because despite that the afterlife is a much better place, I still have things I want to accomplish in this plane. I'm not ready to leave it behind. But in order to make those accomplishments, I can't have the fear of death. You can't let that anxiety stop you from living your life or that fear will carry over with you and your afterlife will be a harder experience. Embrace your life and live it the way you want to live it. Only then will you feel comfortable with death. The better your existence here and the better you improve your soul through enlightenment and knowledge, the more amazing your afterlife will be.

That's the best advice I can give you. Understand that death is only the beginning to the greatest experience, but it revolves around what you do in life. So face that fear, and let it give you power. That supreme consciousness will actually keep you on your toes enough to get the things done that you want.
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Reply #8 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 4:07pm
 
Interesting thoughts, folks. 

One of my earliest memories was wondering why I had to breathe...I was really ticked off because I was running and ran out of breath and just knew that if I didn't have to breath, I could just keep on running...and as that memory percolated over years I began to wonder where it came from and why it would even enter my mind as a question.  Where have I been where breathing is not an issue and we are free to move, run, fly at any speed without anything more than a thought, much less restricted by the need to breath.

From the dislike of breathing to eternal life, the jump came slowly but surely.  I find that as I age I am more certain of what I face with death.  I have no fear of what might come; I would like the event to happen with little fanfare and drama, and I look forward to another phase of development. 

I dislike the thought of the effect my passing will have on my loved ones and would hope that my end will come so that I can leave them with positive thoughts and assurances of love, but I also know that I will be seeing them on the other side.  Fear does not play a part.

I read that fear of death is the ego's intent to preserve it's existence somehow beyond the lifetime of the body.  But if each ego becomes part of the whole of the soul and remains a portion of it for eternity, what, then, is to fear?

The release of fear may or may not occur , but when you no longer deal with it, you find things are easier to understand...either they work for you or they don't, but without fear, you are playing on an even field and there are no external effects to skew your view of what makes sense.     
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Reply #9 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 4:17pm
 
Thank you all for your response. I will have a look around and read up on the subject. Hopefully I will read enough here that will help me not to worry about death as much. Is it really just the next step?
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Reply #10 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 5:59pm
 
Senote:

I didn't use any particular technique. I believe it is more of a matter of how my energetic system has been developed, and a matter of what is appropriate for me.

I believe Liza M. Wiemer's book on making contact with spirit guidance is pretty good.

One point she makes is that if a person is service oriented, looking to serve a greater purpose, his or her spirit guidance is more likely to make contact with he or she.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywo...


AH1976 wrote on Mar 10th, 2010 at 9:50pm:
I had the same problem, this site, the books of Bruce and then the books of mediums I had come to believe to be genuine. Until you have the experiences some of the people here have had I doubt you will totally lose the fear but you can certainly help reduce it as i did.

recoverer wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 8:15pm:
Here's how it worked out for me when it comes to dreams. I was going through a period where I was trying to make contact with my spirit guidance. As I meditated I would see different kinds of imagery without knowing why. One night I had three back to back dreams that were so intricate, at the end of the third dream I realized that they were created by an intelligence beyond my own.


Do you have any meditation books, cd's etc you can recommend?

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Reply #11 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 11:31pm
 
SoldierOn wrote on Mar 11th, 2010 at 4:17pm:
Is it really just the next step?


From my standpoint, besides all the "next steps" you'll experience throughout this lifetime, yes...death is solely the end of the physical aspect of this ego's portion of your soul which lives on as a consciousness within that entity.  It is indeed the first of another countless steps your soul will take through its journey. 

Chances are you've asked this question hundreds if not thousands of times before as a human being in different lives.  And if that percentage is even 1% accurate, you've obviously "survived death" many times...   

And, once again, why fear something you cannot control? 
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Reply #12 - Mar 12th, 2010 at 1:01am
 
usetawuz wrote on Mar 11th, 2010 at 11:31pm:
SoldierOn wrote on Mar 11th, 2010 at 4:17pm:
Is it really just the next step?


From my standpoint, besides all the "next steps" you'll experience throughout this lifetime, yes...death is solely the end of the physical aspect of this ego's portion of your soul which lives on as a consciousness within that entity.  It is indeed the first of another countless steps your soul will take through its journey. 

Chances are you've asked this question hundreds if not thousands of times before as a human being in different lives.  And if that percentage is even 1% accurate, you've obviously "survived death" many times...   

And, once again, why fear something you cannot control? 


That last sentence pretty much says it all. And when I start thinking about death, that's exactly what I tell myself. It kind of comes out to "If it happens, it happens. But I'm going to live my life here and enjoy it the best that I can, and continue to seek knowledge and enlightenment, grow as a human, and complete as many things as I can."

Trying to fathom the afterlife I think is a little bit scarier than death itself. I understand why they say people are there to greet you towards the transition because I would think having to actually realize you are dead would be the true thing worth fearing until you could accept it and see that your new realm is a better one. I was never unhappy believing there was no afterlife, though. I was pretty content in the idea that when we die we just have no conscious any longer, like the way it was before birth. That to me is the epitome of peace. But I can't accept that idea any longer because of my own experiences which have led me from that ignorance. Live well, and consider that death is really just a transition to true life.

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Reply #13 - Mar 12th, 2010 at 4:21pm
 
usetawuz wrote on Mar 11th, 2010 at 11:31pm:
SoldierOn wrote on Mar 11th, 2010 at 4:17pm:
Is it really just the next step?


From my standpoint, besides all the "next steps" you'll experience throughout this lifetime, yes...death is solely the end of the physical aspect of this ego's portion of your soul which lives on as a consciousness within that entity.  It is indeed the first of another countless steps your soul will take through its journey. 

Chances are you've asked this question hundreds if not thousands of times before as a human being in different lives.  And if that percentage is even 1% accurate, you've obviously "survived death" many times...   

And, once again, why fear something you cannot control? 


But that is almost the fear itself. I want to be in control! I don't like the idea that one minute I could be here, the next minute I could be on the 'other side'.

Here is another question. Is the afterlife a genuine belief, or is it something that helps ease the thought of having to die? Some Atheists will tell you that something like Heaven was invented by people who were terrified at the thought of death. What are people's thoughts about this?
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Reply #14 - Mar 12th, 2010 at 4:50pm
 
This question comes up a lot here. Yes, the afterlife is a belief, just as the lack of one is a belief when it is shared between two or more people, but if you have had a subjective experience that confirms the existence of the afterlife or beyond life or continuing life then you don't need a belief system to see for yourself. However, to others what you tell them about this afterlife will still be a belief system.

Was it invented by Man to ease his fears of dying? Or did his experiences lead him to a belief in the afterlife?

Well some feel that the belief itself can create a place such as Monroe's park in Focus 27, but it would still seem that there has to be a place to go even before that place is conceived.

Belief in an afterlife has gone on for a mighty long time and every experience varies slightly to greatly. As Campbell says, "Taste the pudding for yourself and make your own decisions".

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