Spiritual intercourse would mean something more specific than universal charity. It would be special communion with the sexually complementary; something a man can have only with a woman and a woman only with a man. We are made complete by such union. The souls in heaven must still take on the aspects of male and female to make spiritual merging and the ecstasy of merging with another compatible soul joyful and glorious

The relationship need not be confined to one in Heaven. , monogamy is for earthly union.

The relationship may not extend to all persons of the opposite sex, at least not in the same way or degree. If it did extend to all, it would treat each differently simply because each is different-sexually as well as in other ways.

I think there must be some special ``kindred souls'' in Heaven that we are designed to feel a special sexual/ heavenly love for. That would be the Heavenly solution to the earthly riddle of why in the world John falls for Mary, of all people, and not for Jane, and why romantic lovers feel their love is fated, ``in the stars'', ``made in Heaven''.  As there are no wicked minds in heaven,

I believe God does put  few restrictions on his perfected heavenly creatures. There are countless soul mates for each person or soul, spirit to experience blissful union and pleasure and it would be boring and meaningless to be confined to one or a few partners given that we have exist in an eternal moment of the ever changing now. “Not this is just something that seems logical to me, not something I know for sure:

It would not feel apart from or opposed to the God-relationship, but a part of it or a consequence of it: His design, the wave of His baton. It would also be totally unself-conscious and unselfish: the ethical goodness of agape external, and without selfishness or animal drives.
We know Heaven by earthly clues.

Let us try to read all the clues in earthly intercourse. It has three levels of meaning: the subhuman, or animal; the superhuman, or divine; and the specifically human. (All three levels exist in us humans.)

Specifically human reasons for intercourse include the desire to express personal love. As to the first, there is no marriage in Heaven.

As there can be no wrong in heaven spiritual, union between any souls like soul must happen.

I think there will probably be millions of more adequate ways to express love than the clumsy ecstasy of fitting two bodies together like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.

This spiritual intercourse with God is the ecstasy hinted at in all earthly intercourse, physical or spiritual. It is the ultimate reason why sexual passion is so strong, so different from other passions, so heavy with suggestions of profound meanings that just elude our grasp. No mere practical needs account for it.

No mere animal drive explains it. No animal falls in love, writes profound romantic poetry, or sees sex as a symbol of the ultimate meaning of life, sexuality is a foretaste of that self-giving, that losing and finding the self,. That is what we long for; that is why we tremble to stand outside ourselves in the other, to give our whole selves, body and soul: because we are images of God the sexual being.

We love the other sex because God loves God.
In addition, this earthly love is so passionate because Heaven is full of passion, of energy and dynamism... Earthly sex is the shadow, and our lives are a process of thickening so that we can share in the substance, becoming Heavenly fire so that we can endure and rejoice in the Heavenly fire of eternal spiritual sexual union with any soul mate we desire.

Please I am not being dogmatic on this topic but just put it out there for discussion and dialogue.
Regards

Alan

Volu wrote on Mar 4^th, 2010 at 7:08am:

Bets,

"That is why Bruce emphasises PUL (Pure Unconditional Love) with his teachings on exploring and retrieving in the afterlife.  He experienced the many aspects of PUL and he wants us also to know it. Experiencing PUL with another soul is wondrous!"

Every time I read PUL I'm reminded that it means COPULATE in my language. Banter aside, even though I ultimately view earth as a playground, when others come into my garden, I view the flower turning as an OK to go on. And begging for more would have been a kodak moment polarity wise. Deep affection I can enjoy, but as an incarnation, I don't have affection for someone I don't have affection for. And while I can and do feel affection that cannot be put into words: dish out shit, and that's what's handed back. Can't take the instant balance, then don't dish out. I used to pretend I loved everything and all, but ended up thinking of myself as fake and dishonest in that mode. Beyond earth, I get that discs view the interaction as learning, with no hard feelings, fire nor brimstone. That's what bodies want, raining blood.

"When two souls exploring the afterlife meet there, they can immediately sense whether the other is of the opposite gender if they are not there to do a particular task such as retrieving or helping heal, etc."

Are discs separated into male and female in your view?

"They are part of a pure, unconditional loving that includes much more than they.  Bruce has done a necessary and thorough job of removing words that will probably cause blockages to our energies--sexual, desire, etc. that are due to our earth-bound frames of mind."

Yeah, as with relationships mostly built on body attraction. Plastic and shallow, but a building block for members of a disc whose purpose it is to have basic, which doesn't leave out valuable, experiences. And other members benefit from that and use it for expanding. Probably.

"Love is a heavenly gift meant to be shared."

In the heaven above there are clouds, and the dots don't connect.

Alan, you are dialed in to some prolific sources...thanks again for your contributions.

Bets, what you describe sounds absolutely amazing...I look forward to such an experience.

Volu, your bottom line approach is refreshing...PUL = copulate...funny!  I've even encountered that in a lucid dream, and while the emotion was extremely powerful, the details, unlike the rest of the dream, were hazy at best...the action = not important, the message/emotion = critical.

Hawkeye, I believe we have all been male and female in previous incarnations, and in the afterlife we are all we have ever been anyway, so I do not see homo/hetero issues...we are all...

hawkeye wrote on Mar 4^th, 2010 at 5:42pm:


I'm glad you caught that!  It sang to me!

Hi

Volu, 'PUL = copulate.' Yes, that would be a hard correlation to dismiss. Getting attention stuck on that would, I suspect, to some degree block a person from getting to the fuller meaning of PUL.
Anyway I'm amazed that Moen was able to explain his experiences with a vocabulary cleared of past religious connections.

Regarding Disk Families, I think the Disk tries to keep a balance in its varieties of experience and so wouldn't likely have all its souls / probes choose the same gender at the same time. --Although I suppose it could if it needed to learn something that way.
Is that what you're thinking, that a special lesson could be agreed upon?

V: " I used to pretend I loved everything and all, but ended up thinking of myself as fake and dishonest in that mode." That approach sounds OK to me: 'Fake it til you make it' sounds abit glib and yet it is effective. It keeps one in the flow where possibilities for PUL (the retrieving, equal love for all flow) can still carry one into yet higher vibrations.

V: "In the heaven above there are clouds, and the dots don't connect."  Not from down here they surely don't.  That's why it's worth it to work on getting up into the 'afterlife' to experience such qualities up closer.

Bets

How's this for a laugh?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8542350.stm

Beau-

I too like having a body ! I also like the male/female duality thing, maybe I'll hang onto that  particular illusion for a little while longer....