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Reply #30 - Mar 5th, 2010 at 3:21pm
 
Rondelle:

I hope everybody realizes that you're joking.

I don't like view things such as it's Christians against new agers.  When it comes to both, both groups are misled by people who claim to have all of the answers. I don't want to be led by anybody's false viewpoints. I want to find out for myself rather than have somebody tell me homosexuality is a sin, or nothing I see is real.
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Reply #31 - Mar 5th, 2010 at 3:45pm
 
Yes, in my post that didn't quite take, I also expressed disdain at having to express my dislike for Don's attitude and posts. I try not to get riled up. I do not consider myself a new ager. I accept that there many paths to God/Creator/Universe. However, I do feel it is "wrong" to impose one's beliefs on anyone else and to put down their beliefs.

Some could be obviously misled, such as someone worshipping a telephone pole, but then again, who am I to say? I don't think Christians are "wrong," but my personal experience is that they are not quite so open-minded about the possibilities of life and the afterlife and how people view these two very big subjects. Thus, I usually do not "debate" with these people because I could have a better conversation with less acrimony by talking to a wall. Just my experience.
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Reply #32 - Mar 5th, 2010 at 4:00pm
 
Yeah, I agree with you totally Albert. I want to find out for myself and I don't want someone using their logic or more importantly some else's logic to belittle my ideas or pompously claim objective knowledge where there is none. It's one thing to disagree, but to use what I consider mythology as grounds for crucifying someone's opinion leaves me a little cold.

But I like this board better than some of the others because of the diverse processes of thought.

And I looked at the page on those girls and I've read Fontana's account of this happening. Well... I think it was Fontana and I found it hard to swallow, but possible I guess. I really don't see how it refutes reincarnation in any way, but I guess we all will draw our own conclusions with one belief system or another, unless we experience it for ourselves.

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Reply #33 - Mar 6th, 2010 at 10:34am
 
I think a lot of differences stem from the apparent need by some folks to find out how it works...full stop.

I've never seen anything that made me think everyone has to go through the same thing.  There's no good reason, in my mind, to believe we all reincarnate, we all don't, we all do in a specific time frame, we all go here or there or wherever.

Some folks don't finish high school.  Some go to college, some get graduate degrees, some are "professional students".  I've seen nothing that says our souls have to be any different.  Maybe some people, at least in this particular life, really need to be Christians.  Or Hindus, or whatever.  Some may come back immediately, some may never, there's probably souls out there who never incarnate at all.  "This is how it works" has never worked for me.
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Reply #34 - Mar 6th, 2010 at 11:34am
 
Berserk2 wrote on Mar 4th, 2010 at 8:32pm:
usetawuz,

Uncritical minds always impute unworthy motives to avoid the hard task of critical thinking that begins with the searching questions: What if I'm wrong?  How could I ever discover that?  You really must learn to read.  That includes not only posts like mine, but deep books that make cases that are contrary to your own perspectives.  My post said nothing about employing a Christian stance as the foundation for this thread.  That's your baggage.  My post merely recognizes that Christian leaders, unlike many New Agers, are eager to learn challenging perspectives from worthy intellectual adversaries.   

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Wow, Don...it took a logistical leap in an interpretation of your comment to get your attention...and to prove my point.  You are seeking through every fiber of your being some level of logic, sense and analytical verification for matters of an experiential and feeling nature.  You parse other's interpretations and understandings of their own experiences and attempt to place them in your academically approved framework and pass judgment on their validity, and couch such judgment as an excercise in intellectual curiosity and critical thinking.   

It appears to me that the majority on this board are on an experiential track, and base our beliefs on feeling what is right and what resonates inside.  Your analytical bent is all in your head...it prevents any room for impressions, feelings or other methods of verification of what are essentially personal truths...if you can't verify it in accordance with established, approved and accepted methods, then it is false.

While you analyse matters of import and deep books with worthy intellectual adversaries, I'll be living and feeling my truth.
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Reply #35 - Mar 6th, 2010 at 1:47pm
 
Hey Use,

I agree with most of what you wrote.  There is something distinctly hollow in setting up rigid scientific experiments to document what is for most of us an intimate an personal experience. 

If you had read Don as long as I have, however, you'd see there is more to him than his dogged insistence on verification of spiritual events by controlled means.  He has beautiful stories from his congregants which he has, in the past posted here, in which they have witnessed ghostly visitations by loved ones, materializations of objects and even as I recall an incident where a dead loved one drove a car for a time. 

Without knowing his congregation, most would dismiss these stories as far fetched/impossible, yet Don does not.  He tells the story of the ghost who drove his loved one's car as if it really happened.  Forget about logic, beliveability, etc. 

And so, I am forced to believe that on this board, Don pushes for the controlled verification approach, but that his humanistic and loving side will believe the same sort of outlandish spiritual stuff from his own congregants because he knows that they are honest people - and he is dealing with them person to person. 

Don is softer on the inside than he lets on.  In fact, my intuition tells me that he is on the verge of a major personal spiritual breakthrough. 

His insights are wonderful when he shares them, and while entering into discussion with him is not for the easily offended or the faint of heart, he does seem in general to respect and engage people who present their views in a cogent manner.


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Reply #36 - Mar 7th, 2010 at 7:10pm
 
Matthew, I appreciate your considered commentary, dispute-quelling influence and reasoned approach to this and other posts.  Yours is much like my father's in that he seeks to maintain a balancing influence throughout any situation...are you a Libra also?  (an engineer client taught me the basics of astrology!) While I will seek to defend or clarify my particular beliefs, especially on a messageboard intended for the discussion of these beliefs, I understand that from your perspective I may be responding strongly to some of Don's more incendiary comments or proclamations.

My background is based in twenty years of legal practice and there is no doubt that there is more than one side to this and any other version of an individual and their opinion.  I have no doubt that Don and I would have nothing but an exceptional relationship face to face, because I enjoy diverse points of view from a social standpoint, and he is expert in his chosen field which always makes for interesting conversation, but this medium leaves us with nothing but brief written opinions through which to guage each others beliefs and intent.  What's more, I have just spent the past three years learning to feel; to depart from my analytical-based viewpoint and move toward a sense/feeling-based viewpoint, so from where I stand, I am a reformed smoker teaching others the evil of tobacco, and Don is still a three-pack-a-day guy. 

I get your point, and I will use your perspective in the future to temper my commentary...I greatly appreciate this website and the opportunity it allows to hear a divergent group of people and the experiences they care to share with the rest of us.
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