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Feb 16th, 2010 at 12:20am
 
I have not yet had time to read the whole book.  But I hope some of you will get the book, read it, and share your thoughts of its potential impact.  I hope to share my own perspectives in about a week.  Meanwhile, I will briefly react to these comments from the cover:

"The Hidden Messages in Water" introduces the revolutionary work of internationally renowned  Japanese scientist Masaru Emoto, who has discovered that molecules of water are affected by our thoughts, words, and feelings.  Since humans and the earth are composed mostly of water, his message is one of personal health, global environmental renewal, and a practical plan for peace that starts with each one of us." 

Carolyn Myss adds: "Through his genius photography and superb scientific skill, Dr. Masaru Emoto has created a book that is truly a mystical treasure.  His contribution to research on spiritual consciousness is positively masterful."

This book was a New York Times bestseller. In my view, it has unique value for 2 reasons: (1) Its claims can potentially be replicated and expanded by double-blind studies.  (2) It can potentially shed light on other vexing water mysteries: e.g. (a) why Jesus used spittle to perform healing miracles; (b) why Marian healing springs like the ones at Lourdes in France and at the Virgin Mary's house in Ephesus, Turkey, seem at times to have remarkable healing powers; (c) why cancer cells in a liquid in petrie dishes can be killed simply through the power of prayer or focused intention.  The relevance of Emoto's research on water might be extended to the mysteries of paranormal mind-matter interaction in general and might ultimately be relevant to the modern quest in physics for one grand unified theory of reality. 

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Reply #1 - Feb 16th, 2010 at 10:06am
 
... and of course a possible mechanism for the action of homeopathic medicines !
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Reply #2 - Feb 16th, 2010 at 10:07am
 
I haven't read the book but I did some research online about the water and it was certainly very interesting, fascinating really. The only negative I've been able to find so far is they say that when he took his photos he took hundreds of each category and only chose one or two for his demonstration. Certainly that is not any kind of proof that his method was faulty or that he has less than  what he appears to have with his research, but it would be interesting to see some of the photo in the same categories that did not make the cut. Still very very interesting and fun to examine.

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Reply #3 - Feb 16th, 2010 at 3:25pm
 
I have read Emoto's book.  For me, it is a validation of the theory of human intention having effects on the physical world, in ways unexplainable by conventional scientific measurements. 

Princeton University first set up a research laboratory called P.E.A.R.  (Princeton Engineering Anomlaies Research) in the 1970s which closed in 2007 to study the effect of human intent/consciousness on random number generating machines.  Various machines were made and shielded from all known electromagnetic radiation or interference, then tested to ensure they would only generate random numbers.  Next, volunteers would come in and be asked to change the outcome of a machine.  If it were generating a "heads" or "tails" coinflip, the volunteers would be asked to influence the event one way or the other.  The results were tabulated and fascinating.   There after many thousands of recorded experiments, it was shown that the number of times these machines varied from random chance was signficant though small.  In other words, the human volunteer intention somehow affected an otherwise completely shielded random number generating machne.  Some volunteers had more success than others.  Indeed, some volunteers, had the machine do the opposite of what they set intent for!  Interestingly groups of people especially husbands and wives, when they set their mind on altering an outcome had the strongest outcomes---much more strong than individuals. 

These studies were published in peer-reviewed scientific journals.  They preceded Emoto's work.  But they showed conclusively that there is a small but measurable effect of consciousness on the physical world, independent of known physics. 

The PEAR group also pursued remote viewing and came out with enough "hits" or guesses about what an object was, to have the odds be one out of several billion that the viewer could do this by random guessing. 

PEAR closed its doors at the end of February 2007 with its founder, Robert G. Jahn, concluding that after tens of millions of trials they had demonstrated that human intention has a slight effect on random-event machines. "For 28 years, we’ve done what we wanted to do, and there’s no reason to stay and generate more of the same data," Jahn said. Jahn felt that the work showed, on average, people can shift 2–3 events out of 10,000 from chance expectations.

These tiny deviations from chance have failed to convince mainstream scientists who feel that the effect is inconsistent and that relatively few negative studies would cancel it out.  Physicist Robert L. Park said of PEAR, "It’s been an embarrassment to science, and I think an embarrassment for Princeton". Park maintains that if a coin is flipped enough times, even a slight imperfection can produce more than 50% heads, and that the "tiny statistical edges" PEAR reported are the result of statistical flaws.  I (Matthew) disagree with Park after going over the PEAR data, because the researchers too meticulous care and detail in trying to assure that their experiments were not biased by any outside forces or interference.  The subanalyses of certain volunteers was also fascinating, as some people's intentions had more of an effect on outcomes than others.

For me, Emoto's work continues this line of inquiry, namely, that conscious intention changes the quality of water, independent of other variables.  When Emoto studied water labeled with negative phrases, the crystalline stuctures photographed were dark and sludgy.  When he put labels on water that had positive emotions attached such as "love"  "grace" "kindness," the crystals formed on freezing took on the most brilliant structures.

Emoto freely admitted he was not a trained scientist, and that his photographer's were encouraged to use their discretion as to which photographs to select from the experiments (i.e. the most beautiful ones associated with the blessings, and the ugliest pictures associated with the negative phrases or curses).

From Wikipedia:

"Commentators have criticized Emoto for insufficient experimental controls, and for not sharing enough details of his approach with the scientific community.  In addition, Emoto has been criticized for designing his experiments in ways that leave them open to human error influencing his findings.

In the day-to-day work of his group, the creativity of the photographers rather than the rigor of the experiment is an explicit policy of Emoto. Emoto freely acknowledges that he is not a scientist, and that photographers are instructed to select the most pleasing photographs.

In 2003, James Randi publicly offered Emoto one million dollars if his results can be reproduced in a double-blind study.

In 2006, Emoto published a paper together with Dean Radin and others in the peer-reviewed Explore: The Journal of Science and Healing (of which Radin was co-editor-in-chief). They describe that in a double blind test approximately 2000 people in Tokyo could increase the aesthetic appeal of water stored in a room in California, compared to water in another room, solely through their positive intentions."



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Reply #4 - Feb 16th, 2010 at 3:32pm
 
If this is true, then it supports what we already know, which is that our thoughts and emotions affect our physical body, which contains so much water, and, without the water, we cannot live. If the water in our bodies reflects our own patterns of thoughts and emotions, that's important. Without knowing the effects of the mind on 'others' we already know that we are having a huge effect on our very selves.
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Reply #5 - Feb 16th, 2010 at 8:12pm
 
Well, it seems as if there are hidden messages in chocolate these days as well.  And who wouldn't rather eat chocolate than drink water?

You see, if we buy and eat a product called Intentional Chocolate (google it), we get the benefit of  health and well-being from experienced meditators who think loving thoughts over the chocolate before it's boxed and shipped.

Yes, it's probably all new age woo-woo stuff, but chocolate is chocolate and if its molecules and atoms are infused with loving thoughts, how can we lose?

Don, I believe this is the first time in the past ten years you have recommended a book that truly can be characterized as New Age "wackadoodle."  I guess I tend to side with some of the more skeptical Amazon reviewers on this one.

PS- Does this perhaps represent a new Don?  Smiley

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Reply #6 - Feb 16th, 2010 at 8:46pm
 
I think I've heard of that. I've heard of many other interesting studies (independent from this) about water. For example that it makes a difference if water is delivered under pressure through tubes, or if it is taken from a free flowing creek with all the swirls in it. If you are hooked by this topic Don, I could do a research in German websites.

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Reply #7 - Feb 16th, 2010 at 9:13pm
 
Roger, you missed your calling... you could be a comedian!  I'm laughing so hard that I can hardly sit up or even see straight.   Grin

Actually Don and I discussed this a little a couple months ago.  Matthew is right... it is all about intent.  Water, as with chocolate or anything else such as a placebo are tools to help focus intent.  If you believe  chocolate infused with love will help cure your ills, it just may do that.  Have you ever read Bruce Lipton's "Biology of Belief"?

I find this subject fascinating. This should be an interesting thread.

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Reply #8 - Feb 17th, 2010 at 2:03am
 
I'm looking for a new female flame and have exhausted my other options. So yes, Roger, it's true; I've reluctantly decided to join the New Age Ghetto.  Maybe I'll meet "Her" there.  But "they" will only mail me my membership card with an embossed bisexual picture of Robert Monroe's "Heshe" on the front if I read one of the standard Ghetto books.  I chose "The Hidden Messages in Water."  Please don't snitch on me to my congregation! Undecided

The reason why I compare Emoto's findings to sacred springs like the one by the Virgin Mary's house at Ephesus is this: A very bright member of my church, Dick, went to Turkey, despite an arthritic knee with badly torn ligaments. He was scheduled for surgery upon his return.  While he was visiting this spring, a Turkish lady saw him limping badly and suggested that this water would heal his knee.  Dick dismissed the idea, but his wife, Mary Ann, cajoled him, "Why not fill some of your water bottle with `Mary's water' just as a souvenir."  Back at the hotel, Dick's knee began to hurt badly from overexertion.  MA said, "What do you have to lose by pouring the water on it?"  Dick protested, "You know very well that those healing claims are pure nonsense."  But when she persisted, he complied to get he off his back.  Upon returning to the USA, he was prepped for surgery.  When Dick came to, his surgeon stood at the head of his bed with a puzzled expression: "I don't understand it; we did MRIs and other tests on you that revealed badly torn ligaments. But I can find no trace of your injuries now.  In fact, even the arthritis is gone!" 

Now this "miracle" cannot be explained in terms of the faith of either Dick or Mary Ann.  Dick thought that the claims of the spring's healing powers were nonsense and Mary Ann merely thought he should pour it on the knee for a lark.  So why did the healing occur?  Perhaps for the same reason that Emoto's research yielded great results.  The power of the awe and faith of many pilgrims may have imparted a healing energy to the water itself.  When I was there, I was amazed by how awestruck many of the pilgrims were.  The young woman behind me fell to her knees overcome with emotion as soon as she entered the house.  A young man's face was radiant with ecstasy as he splashed the spring water outside the shrine on his face.

So I ask myself whether some of the miracles associated with Lourdes (e. g. the healing of the blind and cripples) should be explained in terms of their faith or the energy embedded in the water.   I also ask myself if Jesus imparted a healing energy to the water in his spittle that allowed Him to cure the blind, deaf, and dumb.  Is there some guided meditation that might be done which can impart healing energy to water under certain circumstances?  The fact that such speculation might be tested in double-blind studies intrigues me enough to send for my woo woo membership card!

Don



Actually, I'm willing to read just about any quackdoodle if it promises me the possibility of a double-blind method of verification.
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Reply #9 - Feb 17th, 2010 at 3:16am
 
Interesting, too bad he wasn't around in Aug of 45.
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Reply #10 - Feb 17th, 2010 at 10:08am
 
Careful Don, where will all this wooing lead to......a new age marriage ?

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Reply #11 - Feb 17th, 2010 at 11:20am
 
Kathy-

Well, while you were laughing, I was having cold sweats and heart palpitations, envisioning Don in sandals and a robe at some new age store, buying crystals, incense and tarot cards.

Close call.

R

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Reply #12 - Feb 17th, 2010 at 1:30pm
 
It's ok Roger... just hang in there.  We all need to break out of our shell now and then. Just put your hand on your chest and repeat... be still my heart... be still my heart... be still... beeeee stiiilllllll...

K

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Reply #13 - Feb 18th, 2010 at 12:15pm
 

This thread has a nice Valentine's season feel to it !

Much success in your new quest, Don!


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Reply #14 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:42pm
 
In his last 2 books Robert Monroe reports an OBE experience of a future in which the world returns to its natural state with no more cement jungles and high-rise buildings.  At that time food is created through an interaction between soil and the power of thought.  In Howard Storm's NDE, he experiences a virtually identical future, though it supposely arrives much sooner than in Monroe's vision. 

Let's assume for the sake of argument that both visions ar accurate.  This would imply that humans learn to master mind-matter interactions to the point where food can be produced without the slow, steady blossoming of plants.  Emoto's water research might have uncovered some of the mental principles that make this glorious future possible.  This in itself makes replication of Emoto's experiments urgent and a more ambitious extension of such research exciting.

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