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If the very source of all consciousness is loving by nature, then it is impossible for a being to be truly/naturally evil.

yes Dude, it is just as it is, right? When we look closer at evil people, we have to label them maybe "insane", as an expression that we just don't know why they did what they did, and because that is so foreign to us. And still, we live in the same world. We breath the same air. We are of the same stuff.

Spooky

spooky2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2010 at 10:10pm:


My sense is that suffering, any suffering, is an opportunity to develop as a soul.  Kind of a microcosm of life as a whole.  What if you were stuck in an elevator in the first instance, or you were undergoing an extremely horrifying experience in the second...the questions are the same.  How did you manage to deal with it up to the point you were either rescued in the former or died in the latter?  Did you do your best to assist the others you were suffering with? Or did you cast blame and lash out at the others with you at your mutual misfortune?  Did you realize that the situation was out of your control and with the calm and understanding of that fact, did you do what you could to help others come to the same conclusion, with the resultant ease of mind?  Bottom line:  did you increase the fear/negativity or did you attempt to calm the situation and assist those with you to diminish that fear/negativity. 

The intensity of the lessons/opportunities will vary, however the lessons are all the same...to deal with all life throws at you with love and fearlessness...to help others see it when they can't, whether by your actions or examples. 

The way I see it we achieve growth through experiences, good and bad, and how we deal with them, either with love or with fear, determines how much we have learned/grown, or not learned and fallen back to go through it again.

I haven't read enough of Monroe's books to understand loosh and the continued effects of bad experiences.  I feel, however,  that part of our progression includes developing the ability to cast off the negativity we have collected during our sojourns in the third dimensional lives we live.  Some come to it sooner and others later, but from my experience, the ability to consciously release past negativity from previous lives has changed my life in the present.

balance wrote on Feb 8^th, 2010 at 11:33pm:


So the poor Jews in the Holocaust wre just undergoing a learning experience Pleeeaaassssee!! Wake up to reality. My mother who was Jewish would have been exterminated in the most hideous way so that the NAZIS could give them the ultimate learning experience   

I'm not a fan of the "evil is necessary for spiritual growth" argument.  Evil simply is acting in opposition to God and love.  Our choice to choose, but consequences follow.  Might we learn via the consequences?  Sure.  But they are not necessary.

The same tired argument about the need for evil is often included in the need for poverty and suffering.  It goes something like this; that in order to transcend our human situation we must suffer and overcome, and then we will be wise.  Hogwash.  Although I have no doubt that there are many instances of people who overcame horror or suffering, it is by no means our birthright.  Likewise, poverty is not morally superior to wealth unless the person is "unloving" as a result of the material wealth.

When one applies intent, and creates in the physical world, it is amazing to see what happens.  The law of attraction has been verified by people of many different beliefs/If a person in doing so pursues wealth and riches, they may acquire it.  In fact many teachers of mind and mind theories argue that due to our natural ability to co-create with intent, that riches and wealth are our birthright, not suffering.  That we attract suffering through misunderstanding that it is in some way necessary, when in fact it is not.

An evil person pursues actions and encourages thoughts which are in the opposite direction to God and love.  They act unlovingly and consequences follow.  How silly it is to assume that their victims all needed to experience the horrors that were inflicted in order to grow in spirit. 

We grow spiritually when we love and express love in a selfless, non egotistical manner.  We grow in spirit as our thoughts and actions turn toward God and love of others, and less toward selfish needs.  Tragedy or horror may push us toward growth as well, but it just as easily may terrify a person enough that they are killed and catapaulted into a hell or hollow heaven, or are earthbound, not having felt ready yet to leave the earth plane.

So, evil is a choice, made by those who choose a certain way, and nourish the seeds of ill thought which flower into evil actions and events.  It is not, however, a prerequisite for the victims to grow in spirit.


Matthew

Usetawuz said:

"So, technically, your mother would have had to choose a body/family/life that would have put her into the experience with the nazis...it apparently was not an experience she chose."

This line of thought comes from reincarnational dogma, and Michael Newton's Journey of Souls.  However, if reincarnation is not as commonplace as some think - if spiritual mergings of souls in afterlife explorations (or alternatively experiencing the life of a "disc member" as if it were our own past life) debunk the reincarnationists theories, then you are left without any logic or evidence for your quotation.

Again, as I said in my post, one can argue that our ability to create with belief makes abundance and joy our true birthright, not poverty, misery and grief.  As such, the idea that a spirit would have to choose to be in fear and horror in a gas chamber and perish that way so that they may improve in spirit seems to me both incorrect and outrageous.

Matthew