Thank you for your concern and willingness to speak out on what you believe, AlarmClock.

Our success in our afterllife contacts seems strongly related to how much kind consideration or pure unconditional love we feel as we make these contacts. I personally don't see how that relates to Lucifer.

Only once out of countless explorations did I feel any sense of threat or evil and I may have made that up. It was quite different from the elation of helping lost souls or being with the higher beings whom one frequently meets.

I appreciate your comments.
Bets

Hi

I don't recall that Lucifer was ever given power over Love.
God is Love.

I no longer believe that our lives need to be fear-based. I used to think that so I know it's a strong belief with plenty of examples.
You seem to have 'bought it' for the time being which I hope will be brief.   

Bets

Thanks for your input but have you ever considered the fact that Lucifer doesn't exist and it was just all made up?

Not trying to say that I'm right and you're wrong. Just putting it out there.

AlarmClock wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2010 at 1:58am:




Believe there is a devil and sure enough there will be a devil. There is nothing anybody here could say that will stop you believing that Lucifer is alive and well.
The key here is consciousness is personal and you create your own reality , it's subjective. So to an extent we do all live in our own 'fantasy land' as you put it.

Drop fear (what religious organizations control with) and evil losses it's footing. Consciousness is 'love' and fundamental, this is what one will find out if one takes the time and effort in finding the big truth. Most get stuck in beliefs and dogma of some sort.
To be here and posting may mean you are open and willing to accept a possible change in perspective ?

Not that anybody here can change your perspective, only you can do that.

pedigree wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2010 at 6:29am:


Indeed, I've always been open to the exchanging of ideas and potential philosophies and stumbling on over here has peaked my interest in the overall Christian viewpoint of astral projection and all of its components. For the most part, I've discovered that the majority opinion is that since your separated from your body during phasing or OBE's, that you are thus, separated from Christ since within our body we are with Him. Now, I know that there's many who subscribe to the belief that OBE/phasing consists of not necessarily becoming separated per se from the body, but just having a different viewpoint from the conscience rather, that's still the side everyone has appeared to have taken.

As for me, I am a strong proponent in everything happening for a reason, so one way or another I'm going to have to come to an absolute, concrete opinion on all of this -- you've all heard and read my current perspective, but as you've said, I'm on here and discussing things so I hope that helps lend credence to my statement that while I believe my own beliefs and convictions to be true, I'm absolutely not of the type to deem anyone else's beliefs as absolutely and undeniably false.

If nothing else, delving more into this topic should prove to further strengthen my current belief system and faith in Lord Jesus Christ.

Bruce Moen wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2010 at 10:26am:


First off Bruce, while we are most certainly coming from opposite ends of the belief spectrum, I do recognize that you are a leading authority on this subject and as such are well-experienced. I think it says something that you are most willing to allow someone like me with my contrasting beliefs to remain on this forum and discuss the difference in these beliefs more in-depth. Especially when I imagine many other places would just ban me before I could even get started. So thank you for that, and while I'm ultimately praying that you and everyone else on here will see the errors of your ways, that doesn't mean I don't have a great respect for the knowledge and experience that you do possess. Hopefully that made sense...

As for your suggestion that it was actually Satan on the Cross, what goal would that ultimately serve? Unless you're suggesting that "incorrectly" believing that Lord Jesus Christ was crucified and resurrected three days later would be damning in some sort of way? If it was indeed Satan in disguise, would believing in this deception somehow damn me to hell in any way? If not, then why would he do it? I would imagine that the Devil, should you all believe that he exists, would prefer to only carry out tasks that would serve some type of beneficial purpose when it was all said and done.

As a brief explanation of why I am so blindly faithful, I need only bring up the subject of the Holy Spirit. Now, I know that those not having received it after accepting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and asking Him to cleanse us of our sins will not be able to relate to this whatsoever. But please believe me when I say that thanks to the Holy Spirit residing within me and helping me walk the path of righteousness and love, there is no doubt in my mind that my belief system is anything but strongly rooted in Truth.

Once again, thanks for your reply and I'll be praying for all of you! God Bless!

Sorry Alarmclock-

I wrote my responce as you as you were writing yours. It appears that believing in a polarity of good and evil serves you and you are happy with that.
My best wishes.

Dave

My experience with nasties is that they're a whole lot more bark than bite.  We used to have a resident entity here (name is Ted, as a matter of fact!) who not only scared everybody else, but also one of the other spirits!  Little old lady ghost who warned us not to go to the attic, because "he doesn't like people"!

Oh, well - I needed the space.  Made it into a bedroom for my kid, who proceeded to read him the riot act a few times, so he pretty much backed off.  Once in a while creepy critters pass through, but they have no authority here.

Was laying in bed one night, and looked up - the whole room was just swirling with energy.  Not malevolent, really, just amoral. Was that dangerous?  Well, it's possible, for instance, that someone could have encountered these beings, been frightened, and fallen down the stairs.  So they could have done real life damage in that way, or the person could have had emotional issues from fear, which is also damage...but in both cases the person did it to themselves.  What these entities *don't* have is the power to physically shove someone down the stairs, and fear is a choice.

I won't say there is *no* danger, but the majority of it is manageable.  There's danger in taking a drive, too, but we mostly all still do it.

I sheild when I think I might encounter something unpleasant, because while I'm not really worried about them hurting me, they can be distracting and annoying when I'm trying to accomplish something else.  Sort of like bug dope for black flies - they don't carry any diseases that I'm aware of, but you bug dope anyway, because they're damned annoying.