Alarm Clock,

I just read through this thread quickly and would appreciate clarification on some of your key points. 
What is your perspective on these 5 questions?

(1) Do you believe that the Bible teaches that Satan is a fallen angel referred to in Isaiah 14:12 as "Lucifer?"

(2) Do you believe that all OBEs and astral exploration could well be tainted by contacts who are in fact demonic impersonators?

(3) Do you believe that deliberate OBE exploration of astral planes is therefore inappropriate or at least dangerous?

(4) Do you believe that Christian OBEs are safe and appropriate because Christ will protect true believers?
Or do you believe that active deliberate exploration of spiritual dimensions is wrong for Christians? 

(5) What about OBEs experienced during NDEs?  Do you believe that the Being of Light encountered in NDEs may well always be a demonic impersonator?  Or do you at least believe Christian claims that they have encountered Christ as a Being of Light during their NDE? 

What issues did you hope or expect members of this forum to address in response to your thread?  Have your expectations been satisified?

Don

I had an old forman who I hated,and so did all the people in the plant where I worked.after he died,I became very spiritual,so I gave him love and forgiveness.A short time after,as I was laying on my bed watching t.v,I felt the pressure of a hand on my shoulder,and at the same time a light in the corner of my eye.I looked over and saw his face and he was smiling as if to thank me for foregiving him.explane that.George

Berserk2 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2010 at 2:06am:



Hi Everybody! It seems that AlarmClock has disappeared since Don posted his reply to him! Are the two connected in some way??? Far Fundamentalist Christian Right, versus Moderate Liberal Christian, in their physical awareness-(Spiritual)senses!?(Teacher and student perhaps?)....Maybe just to gain our ears, eyes, and conscious attention to their flawed belief systems!! Don's reply to him was rather cold-warm! Probably to give his(alarmclock)voice-written power(christian thought, through flawed-false ancient worded scripts, and intellectual and modern religious subterfuge!)more subtle and believable attention. Which it did to you Guys!!! Tell them(AlarmClock)to to go to the Islamic sites and Forums, which is the fastest growing religion in the world today!!! And preach their garbage there!! They wont! They are cowards! Regards. Carl and Family. PS. These people(Alarm Clock)will try to pull unconditional love out of your hearts, if you respect, or support, or wish peace on other religious belief systems. It's their hidden agenda! I know! I was one of them! They lie constantly on how they love and pray for everybody that does not know Jesus! They themselves don't know Jesus, nearly 99% of them. It's just a phony-pathetic 'Get out of Hell' card for them! The vast majority...99%...Regards. Carl & Family    

hi my favorite colour is purple and when i told this medium she said that the reason i see this as my favorite colour is because the colour purple means you love god,i felt good after that.

i always loved the story of jesus where he helps the pheonecian woman because her faith was so strong in the beleif that he was the son of god and thats why he helped her,the disciples were not very pleased with jesus at that moment as at that time they thought that jesus should only help the jewish people but i breleive on that day he did this,he was showing that his father was the father of all nations.

god jesus and the holy spirit are there for all of us who truly beleive and accept them in their hearts,god loves us all,we just got to learn to love each other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw-TYEkqi6c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14epxvU8XIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDCbJ4vnMNg&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHbAbp69yJg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f2qZqOZ-y0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa3n9tSxA9A&feature=related

this shows jesus fighting off satan,jesus said he exists
so satan must surely exist.

love and god bless  love juditha

Carl,

I know nothing about Jay (Alarm Clock) and am confused about the basis of his fear that astral exploration is dangerous.  I wanted him to clarify his position before expressing my disagreements. 

I liken astral exploration to early efforts to reach the South Pole.  Yes, this exploration could be dangerous, but the benefits of such an achievement made the risks worthwhile.  Also, despite Swedenborg's warnings about deceptive spirits, safeguards (e.g. prayers for protection) can be taken which make astral exploration worth the risk.  I oppose playing with Ouija Boards, not astral exploration.  I'm still hoping for breathroughs in verification that make insights from astral travel a life-changing blessing to humanity.

Don