pedigree wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2010 at 4:47am:


I find it incredibly ironic how you talk so glowingly about love but are so quick to shoot down others as not having any "personal experience".

Is it at all apparent to you that, perhaps, there are other ways to have such "personal experience" without visiting the "after life" as you all name it?

Like I said above, I don't know why everyone thinks that I'm just here for shits and giggles. I'm here, when it all boils down to it, because of love. I yearn for you all to see that the path that you're currently on is the wrong one. Now, no matter whether you believe me to be incorrect or not, how can my efforts be deemed in any other way other than selfless and loving? Funny how I can exhibit this love that you almost deem as exclusive to yourselves thanks to your personal experiences.

What kind of magical trickery is this?

Am I making any sense?

Well, I guess we are all in the mood of talking past each other.  Like I said, I was bored.

But wait, you must be bored too...

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... and with a bit of an ego.

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No, I wasn't originally thinking you were nuts, but now...  Anyway, you aren't so selfless.  You have an agenda that you have stated.  I would also add that you are doing so to get your ego stroked by helping some misguided soul.

There are genuine ways to help people selflessly that are not ego-centric.  Go volunteer at a food pantry.  Go read to senior citizens at a rest home.  But coming on a NewAgey type Internet board telling people their beliefs, as you believe them to be, are misguided???? Selfless????  Ha, give me a break.

I think you got too cool for school.  Oh wait, now my ego is starting to feel gooooood.  Darn it, see what you did?

By the way, isn't there a saying "Idle hands are the devil's workshop?"  ... or in my vernacular... "bored people let their egos run amok."

(I'm still poking fun at you.  I will continue until you ignore me, or I find something better to...........)

Mactek wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2010 at 5:35am:


How did you get your glass house to shine so brightly? Where are my sunglasses!?

Mactek wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2010 at 5:35am:


Whose to say one is more noble than the other? I may be going out on a limb here, but I do consider people's souls a lot more worthy, important and fulfilling (in attempting to help them) of an endeavor. To what you will likely deem is to "boost my ego," I feel it prudent to explain that I've actually given blood regularly and donated pathetically small sums of money to charities who I feel are worth my tiny and insignificant attention. You know, to make myself feel better about... my... self. I suppose it could never hurt to just  go run around and try and save kittens from trees or something. I shall look into it. Until then!

Mactek wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2010 at 5:35am:


I'm certainly not going to go and try to deny that part of the reason that I'm even doing this is for some form of fulfillment, because it is. Or is boldly and honestly confessing a truth just a mere ploy to further boost my ego? What a rabbit hole that has been dug!

In all seriousness, I'm not going to try to explain the rest of it because I'm confident that the time spent typing it will ultimately be an utter waste of time.

Not that this hasn't stopped me before now..

Mactek wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2010 at 5:35am:


I really do wish I had a job where I could afford to be bored for several hours per day at the end of the work week. Good times that would be, indeed! Too bad...

You really do seem to enjoy trying to intellectually toy with people. Only thing is, you write and express it all so well that I can't help but want to read more. So feel free to spew some more nonsense my way if you indeed have nothing better to do.

Perhaps a simple getting-to-know-you game of 21 Questions is in order? I will start out and say that my favorite color is dark green.

FINALLY!!!  A post I can read from Alarmclock without thinking "what's up this guy's ***?"

Dark Green? yuck, how ordinary.  Mine is Gold... but I have to give it up for lent.

Nope, I don't think you understood my post.  You kinda needed to uncode it.  My bad.  You must come from a non-catholic flavor that doesn't follow the church color calendar.  Some do, some don't.

Hey!!  If you have a problem with the Catholics, why don't you go to their board and beat them up over how misguided THEY are.

One who quotes scripture at proof of a cosmic truth merely reinforces to all that he/she is well versed in scripture.  I am sure that a devout Muslim could cite areas from the Q'uaran that directly refute the New Testament or the Old Testament. 

The idea that someone can quote scripture which in some instances was written decades to centuries after the events and then say this is hard evidence, is, in my opinion proof of an ingrained belief system.

At least in some temples and churches, the true meaning of scripture is debated, until those in the religion agree on meaning. 

Evenso, what is Alarmclock saving us from?  If we are loving people, and act lovingly to others, is he saying we will be damned for not following his scriptures?  Even Don, at his most confrontational, never implied that he debated with us to save our heathen souls from certain damnation. 

No, unfortunately Alarmclock, it has been my experience that when a person insists on saving others to a true path, end up adhering to a rigorous set of beliefs that are not dependent on their own experience.  If beliefs are based on doctrine as opposed to exploration and experience, it tends to be the very definition of a "hollow heaven."

Thus, Swedenborg reported finding christians who cited church doctrine but didn't practice love of God or one's fellow man.  They were mystified and mortified how they felt they could follow scripture (somewhat dogmatically) to the letter and not enter into a loving heaven. 

To each his/her own, however.  I can equally hope that Alarmclock will take the posts on this site and have a glimmer of desire to explore personally, in addition to learning scripture.  Indeed, I think that this may in fact be the case.  So, whom is saving who?  Maybe each other.


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Bro you're Scripture quotes mean nothing.  No, sorry, they do mean something.  They mean that a long time ago a bunch of guys got together an wrote some stuff that may or may not have happened, that may or may not be true.  It is illogical to use the Bible to prove anything.  Words in a book are not proof. 

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All I wanted was to hear why it was logical to believe that Satan exists, and you did not deliver.  I did not ignore your story. I read it, and conclude that your false belief in Satan is limiting your experience.  Your belief system is obviously extremely fear-based, and I would reconsider it if I were you. 

It's funny that you say you're being loving by trying to divert those on a quest for love and truth with what is essentially false, fear-based nonsense.  If you disagree that it is nonsense, then please show me why it is not.  Once again, you still haven't done so.