PUL is Pure Unconditional Love...there is no alternative. The title really speaks for itself. I'm still really new at this so I'll try to explain.

PUL is not judging someone, its not condemning. All is forgiven. No expectations. No fear. No damnation.

Just unconditional love.

Just found this and thought it might be interesting to some of you. It maps out what I was debating earlier (source: http://bible.org/seriespage/survey-bible-doctrine-angels-satan-demons):

The Doctrine of Satan. The Existence of Satan

A. Seven Old Testament books and every New Testament writer refer to Satan.

B. Jesus referred to Satan (Matt.13:39; Luke 10:18; 11:18).

II. The Personality and Names of Satan

A. Personality  He has intellect (2 Cor.11:3), emotions (Rev.12:17) and will (2 Tim.2:26.

B. Names  He is called Satan, the Devil (slanderer), Lucifer (son of the morning), Beelzebub (Lord of the flies  Matt.12:24), and Belial (lawless  2 Cor.6:15), the evil one (1 John 5:19), the tempter (1 Thess.3:5), the prince of this world (John 12:31), the god of this age (2 Cor.4:4), the prince of the power of the air (Eph.2:2), the accuser of the brethren (Rev.12:10), and angel of light (false light  2 Cor.11:14), a serpent (Rev.12:9), and a dragon (Rev.12:3).

III. The Nature of Satan

A. He is a created angelic being. He was created as part of the angelic realm (Eph.6:11,12; Ezek.24:18) and was the highest in rank of them all (Ezek.28:12-14).

B. He is an enemy of righteousness. He is a murderer (John 8:44), a liar (John 8:44), and accuser (Rev.12:10) and our adversary (1 Pet.5:8).

C. He is a limited creature. He is limited by God (Job.1:12). He is not God equal (1 John 4:4). He is not omniscient, omnipotent or infinite in any way. Believers with God help can resist him (James 4:7).

IV. The Fall of Satan

Key Passages  Ezekiel 28; Isaiah 14

A. Ezekiel 28:11-19 is a prophetic lamentation over the œKing of Tyre who is described in language that fits Satan fall and not a mere human king. Satan is distinguished form the human ruler of Tyre in 28:2 (œprince/ruler) and called a œking in 28:12 (Not even Israel rulers were called œKing). Though Tyre had a human œruler, Satan was the real œKing behind that wicked kingdom.

B. His attributes  Moral perfection (v.12) Sinless at his creation until his fall (v.15)

C. His appearance  Perfect in beauty (v.12b,13)

1. His privileges  Free access to the garden of Eden (v.12) and to God holy mountain (= God presence â.14)

2. His rank  œCherub (vs.14,16)

3. His judgment

a. Cast out of the mountain of God (v.16, cf. Rev12:4)

b. Cast to the ground (v.17)

c. Consumed by fire (v.18, cf. Rev.20:10)

D. Isaiah 14:12-15 also seems to describe Satan fall. Satan is manifest here by the king of Babylon. As in Ezekiel 28, Satan is pictured here as the real œking behind the wicked human kingdom of Babylon.

1. The imagery of a œstar and œfalling from heaven (v.12) suggests a supernatural fulfillment. œStars (v.12,13) are symbolic of the angelic realm elsewhere (Job 38:6,7; Rev.12:4).

2. The five œI will of vss. 13 & 14 are literally true of Satan and only metaphorically true of Babylon king. This ultimate form of pride (œI will be like the Most High â.14) fits the New Testament description of Satan fall 1 Tim.3:6.

V. The Activity of Satan

Satan is seeking to oppose God plan by promoting evil in every way possible.

A. Indirect Activity  He works indirectly through the world (in which he has great freedom and power  John 12:31; 1 John 5:19) and the flesh (Gal.5:19-21). The world, the flesh and the devil are not three separate enemies of the Christian. Rather Satan works through the evil world system (1 John 2:13-15) to exploit the fleshly nature that still wars within us (Rom.7:18; Gal.5:19-21).



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B. Direct Activity  He works directly by deception, temptation, attack and possession.

1. In Christ ministry

a. He tempted Christ (Matt.4:1-11).

b. He attempted to thwart Christ work (John 8:44; Matt.16:23; Luke 22:31).

c. He possessed Judas to accomplish the betrayal (John 13:27).

2. In unbelievers

a. He blinds their minds to hinder their understanding of the gospel (2 Cor.4:4).

b. When the gospel is heard or understood, he tries to hinder its effect (Luke 8:12).

c. He uses persecution (Rev.2:10) and false religions (Rev.2:13) to hinder the effect of the gospel.

3. In believers

a. He tempts believers (to pride  1 Chron.21:1-8; to materialism  John 2:15; James 5:1-7; to immorality  1 Cor.7:5; to lie  Acts 5:3; to discouragement  1 Pet.5:6-10; to be unforgiving  2 Cor.2:10,11 etc.).

b. He hinders the ministries of believers (1 Thess.2:18; Rev.2:10).

c. He promotes false teaching among believers (1 John 4:1-4).

d. He promotes anger, bitterness and division (Eph.4:26,27; 2 Cor.2:5-11). Note: See the supplement  œSatanic Activity and Spiritual Warfare for more information on how Satan and his demons work and how we must respond.

The Doctrine of Demons
I. The Existence and Nature of Demons

A. Their Creation  God created demons as part of the angelic realm originally (Col.1:16).

B. Their Fall

1. The evidence  It is clear that Satan has a following of like beings (œPrince of the demons  Matt.12:24; the Devil and his angels  Matt.25:41). Demons are described throughout the Scriptures (Dan.10:10-20; Matt.10:1; Eph.6:12).

2. The time  At the fall of Satan, many angels followed him in that rebellion (demons are fallen angels). A third of the angelic host seem to have fallen with Satan (Rev.12:4  the imagery of Satan as a œdragon and angels/demons as œstars).

C. Their Nature

1. Demons are by nature the same kind of spirit beings as angels. They are personal, intelligent beings.

2. Demons are morally wicked (œunclean spirits  Matt.10:1; œevil  Luke 7:21; œwickedness/darkness  Eph.6:12).

a. They are deceitful (1 Tim.4:1-3; 2 Cor.11:13-15).

b. They are immoral (Gen.6:4; Jude 6,7).

3. Demons are invisible but also able to appear (Satan  Zech.3:1; Matt.4:9.10; Demons  Rev.9:7-10; 16:13-16).

4. Demons have great intelligence. They knew Christ identity and power (Mark 1:14,34; 5:6,7). They know their own future judgment (Matt.8:28,29). They can attempt to predict the future (Acts 16:16). Theye knowledge is not infinite. They learned it through thousands of years of experience and observation.

5. Demons have great strength (Mark 5:3; Acts 19:16; Rev.9:1-11).

II. The Activity of Demons

Demons are involved in carrying out Satan evil plans (2 Cor.11:15). What Satan is said to be doing (see above) is their work directly.

A. Demons promote idolatry (Lev.17:7; Deut.32:17; Ps.106:36-38). This activity is blatant in primitive cultures.

B. Demons are active in hindering the spiritual progress of believers every way they can (see Satan activities). They are deliberate and organized in these attempts (Eph.6:10-12).

C. Demons promote false teaching (1 Tim.4:1).

D. Demons can possess and afflict people (see supplement).

1. They cause physical ailments (dumbness  Matt.9:32,33; blindness  Matt.12:22; convulsions  Matt.17:15-18; Mark 9:20; self-injury  Mark 5:5; 9:22).

2. They cause mental disorders (withdrawal, nudity, filth, irrational behavior  Luke 8:27-29; suicidal mania  Mark 9:22).

3. They inflict problems upon believers as well, if allowed by God (Job troubles âob 2:7-9; Paul "thorn in the flesh": - 2 Cor.12:7).

E. Demons promote selfishness and division in the church (James 3:13-16).

I Am Dude wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2010 at 11:22pm:


Please see my previous post.

Below are some articles that speak about how a being named Lucifer doesn't exist.

http://www.israelofgod.org/lucifer.htm

http://www.israelofgod.org/SatanIs14Ez28.htm

http://www.israelofgod.org/sinsatan.htm

http://www.lds-mormon.com/lucifer.shtml

recoverer wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2010 at 11:54pm:


I'm quite overjoyed that you at least are comfortable enough with and open to Scripture -- at least enough so that you have no problem quoting it to help support your side of an argument.

Ultimately, I agree with what you had said earlier -- it isn't really worth debating it because it will ultimately boil down to either believing in his existence or not.

Regardless, even if one is wrong in their beliefs on the matter, it ultimately will not matter. At least I hope not.

It will be a great day indeed if things come about in proving your side of the argument was right. I doubt it will ever come, but I certainly won't say that I am not thrilled at the prospect.

Agree to disagree I suppose is the right phrase, here. However I commend your usage of the Scripture and urge you to read it further. You're very close and for this, I pray that you can discover what is likely right under your nose!

Alarmclock said:

Mactek wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2010 at 2:55am:


You say that one can only live in either ego and fear or filled with "sunshine in their heart" -- a la, love.

I fear the whole "Is Satan real" debate may have thrown some of you off from my true objectives. Ultimately, I don't really concern myself with such things and very rarely concern myself with anything concerning demons or Satan or evil. All I was trying to say is that in my beliefs, there are demonic entities that exist and according to the Scripture, there is one who rules over it all.

The specifics of such are a moot point. Ultimately, I have the hunch that you're suggesting that I live within a universe of ego and fear. I strongly disagree, if only because I'm here trying to spread the Word of how I came upon being able to throw all of my life's fears aside in the first place! I'm here in the efforts of discussing and debating with you all, hopefully getting through to but a handful wherever it is meant to be. How can you say I live in a universe of ego and fear when I'm going out of my way, during my own personal time, to attempt to help people that I feel are currently misguided?

Regardless of whether you think I'm nuts or not, I don't know how you can discredit something that is done so selflessly. And for those who will lazily say that everything I'm so strongly proclaiming might perhaps be from the very evil that I spoke of earlier, well -- since you didn't hesitate to try and use Scripture to compliment your own theories and musings, you certainly shouldn't mind me using some verses of my own to help shoot down such a fantasy, am I right?

Psalm 28:7

"The LORD is my strength and my shield;
my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth;
and with my song will I praise him."

2 Thessalonians 3:3

"But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you from the evil one."

Romans 1:16-17

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."

Acts 1:8

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:
and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria,
and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Romans 10:11

"For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."

1 Corinthians 10:13

"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man:
but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able;
but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

According to these verses, among many other things, I'm protected as a believer in Jesus Christ and should not be discouraged to try and spread the Word.

To quote Romans 10:11 one more time:

"Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."

I will never be ashamed.

Nice try, though.

Ultimately, you're likely to "choose your sunshine" over anything that I have to say. And quite honestly, I don't blame you. It wouldn't say much for this whole movement if everyone abandoned its core teachings at the drop of a hat.

But for you to suggest that my efforts, all of which are coming on my own time and the last time I checked, definitely aren't earning me any money (at least not yet -- you guys wanna buy some books from Amazon?), are coming from my belief system and universe filled with "ego and fear"? I'm sorry, but I just find that a difficult conclusion to come to based on everything associated.