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Dec 31st, 2009 at 9:16pm
 
Over the last couple of months, when I have an OBE and leave my physical house, I find myself in what appears to be a small quaint city. It doesn’t always seem to be the same city. They all seem a little different with the exception that they all feel very small like there are only a few hundred inhabitants. These inhabitants always seem to be congregating in the middle of the city. They are not small towns like in the old West where there is one main dirt street with public and private wooden dwellings on both sides. It’s more like a square or circular city reminiscent to the kind you might find back East a couple hundred years old with buildings made of stone or brick.

I always see many inhabitants. I feel like I’m somewhere in the middle of the city which appears to have a public civic center with monuments, small buildings, and some private dwellings nearby. It usually seems like its dark outside, but I have experienced being in these cities during daylight. I tried spinning around as fast as I could to increase my vibration rate like OutOfBodyDude recommended. It didn’t seem to do anything or change my surroundings. I then asked for a Helper to appear. No one showed up and I didn’t feel the presence of anything. I don’t remember having a mission in mind like to retrieve someone when I tried to summon a Helper.

Next, I either had a spontaneous desire to look for a Helper or maybe I just remembered that the next time I had an OBE I should go talk to one of the inhabitants. This was recommended to me a couple weeks ago on the conversation board. I had only tried to communicate with one of these inhabitants one time before without success. The person I was trying to communicate with seemed afraid of me and I probably scared it because I was chasing it around.

Anyway, I noticed a two-storey building with outdoor seating on the second floor with many people sitting outside. I approached the building which seemed like a restaurant and randomly floated up the outside of the building to the second floor and came face to face with a short dark skinned man with black hair sitting at a table with an older light skinned man with gray hair. I probably interrupted their discussion when I asked the dark skinned man if he was a Helper or if he knew how I could find one. He was not shocked or did not seem to think I was out of my mind. He just smiled and seemed to understand what I meant. He also seemed like he knew a lot more about what was going on in this place than I did.

I remember thinking for some reason that he couldn't be my assigned Helper because I just randomly came up to him and also because he was a different race than I was. It seems funny thinking about it now. He looked like he was Eastern Indian or Persian. But I thought I would just play along and see what he had to say. I can't remember the conversation other than he didn't give me a definitive answer as to whether he was a Helper or not. But he did seem to know something I didn't and was not shocked by my questions or upset that I interrupted him.

The three of us started walking or moving away from the restaurant on the ground level and I started talking to the man with gray hair. I sort of forgot about the Indian man and was completely focused on the older man. I asked him something like, "Are you dead or are you still in the physical and dreaming or having an OBE?" He wasn't shocked by my questions and responded with something like he wasn't sure. As we continued walking (not to far from the restaurant), we came upon a house which I understood the man with the gray hair lived in. I asked him how long he has lived in this city and he said 5 1/2 months. I then asked him how long has he lived in this very nice house and he said for 1 month. He seemed to be not quite sure of his answers and was sort of questioning what he said. I said something to the effect of, “Well you might want to think about that and consider if you may have died.” I smiled and he smiled back and I left.

My memory is a hazy on exactly how and why we parted and also what happened to the Indian guy who I thought was more aware of what was going on than the two of us. I can't remember if the Indian guy was with us when we walked over to the older guy's dwelling. Could this have been a possible retrieval that I was unaware of? I never consciously set my intent on a retrieval, but I have in the past when practicing Focused Attention exercises.

This is the first time I can remember communicating with any inhabitants I've seen when I find myself in these small cities or locales. These little towns I find myself in right after I leave my house all seem a little bit different. There always seems to be a public city center with some small buildings where people socialize and surrounding the center seem to be private dwellings.

Does anyone have any idea where I might be or what this experience could mean? I don’t understand why I keep gravitating to these areas. Could they be belief systems? Maybe a physical or astral realm close to the Earth plane? Could I be communicating with people who are alive and dreaming? I will continue to try and communicate with the inhabitants I see and ask for guides or helpers. I have asked a few times and so far, no one has appeared and told me they are my official guide or helper.

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Dave
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Reply #1 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 12:23am
 
Hi Dave,

You said " I don’t understand why I keep gravitating
to these areas. Could they be belief systems? Maybe
a physical or astral realm close to the Earth plane?
Could I be communicating with people who are alive
and dreaming?"

IMO what you suggest are very strong possibilities. Yet if these things happened to someone else there might be other causes because everyone's trips are ultimately personal and no one can 100% tell you for sure why these things happen to you.

They could also be outlying areas of Focus Level 27 where souls have grouped due to some slight variant in their beliefs. Or perhaps FL 26 or so due to their darkness.

Your overall question about why you are there is because that is where you will find answers/ insights that you need. It is for your own good because it is all for the good.  Smiley  Neat, eh?

Are you by any chance a take-charge kind of guy who successfully solves problems and otherwise uses alot of mind power in his work?
If so, remember in these realms that your attitudes/ feelings are going to affect your explorations more than your will to be successful at this.  Underlying the positive attitudes is the PUL that Bruce speaks of.

Curiousity is related to PUL since it shows interest in others ahead of oneself, so having some questions in mind for these others (rather than chasing them around  Cheesy ) might get you some new results.   Smiley

Your experiences sound very worthwhile and on the right track!

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Reply #2 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 7:17pm
 
Hi

I went too far with that statement above.  What I meant was that we tend to take our Earth habits with us into Afterlife realms.  The Afterlife runs on quite different principles from Earth life, particularly regarding how important PUL is.

IMO we're allowed to go into the Afterlife as a reminder of what is ultimately important.

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Reply #3 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 11:47pm
 
Thank you Bets for your insightful advice as always. Since I cannot do the phasing technique - at least not to my desired expectation of sensory input of the non-physical - my only method of afterlife exploration is through OBE which I cannot predictably control. I just went 10 days without an OBE which finally ended just two days ago when I had the one I described at the top of this thread.

I have found that my best opportunity for a successful OBE is when I get up early in the morning, stay awake for 30 to 60 minutes, and then go back to bed. I have had OBEs in the afternoon and at night when going to bed, but those are much fewer and far between. Also, up until recently my OBEs were always cut short because the thought of being in two places at the same time would always enter my mind and I would get pulled back into my body. I have just recently learned not to think about my physical body when I’m having an OBE and my explorations are now much longer (maybe 5 to 10 minutes).

So what I’m saying is that I just haven’t had enough time out “There” to practice or remember all of the things I should or want to be doing (e.g., PUL). I’m still at the stage where I’m just thrilled to be floating outside my body and able to see things. I could never see anything up until a few months ago. When I had OBEs over the last 30 years, I would only have the sensation of leaving my body and floating around in complete darkness for a minute or two.

I had another OBE this morning. Woohoo! I’m back – two OBEs now in three days. I began by meditating using Bruce’s relaxation and energy gathering techniques. Then I began to experience the feeling of love and just relaxed and cleared my mind. For the first time using the phasing technique, I saw a crystal clear image of an open book. Not the vague, cloudy, obscure images that flash in and out that I usually get. I saw a clear image like I would see during an OBE. It was an open book with a page on the left and one on the right written in English. However, the writing was gibberish and made no sense. I still felt I was still in my body with my eyes closed shut. The image then went away for a couple seconds and I was staring into the darkness of my closed eyes. Then the clear image of the open book came back into full view. However the words changed to different gibberish. This happened a couple times and I was amazed because I have never seen an image this vivid in my mind’s eye while I was not having an OBE.

The next thing I knew, I felt myself leaving my body horizontally through the top of my head. I’ve never exited that way before. I don’t remember feeling any vibrations like I normally do just before leaving my body. If I did, they must have been very subtle. It kind of felt like I was being pulled rather than me willing myself to exit. Then I began to soar upwards into the sky in a diagonal direction. I could not see anything and struggled to get my vision. I am usually blind for about 5 to 10 seconds and then will myself to see. Sometimes I feel like I’m opening my non-physical eyes but I have to be careful not to inadvertently open my physical eyes thus ending my OBE.

I will share my experience a little later when I have time to post. Thanks for any input anyone may have.

Sincerely,

Dave
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Reply #4 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 7:33pm
 
That sounds pretty interesting, but why couldn't he have been your helper because of the difference in race? Just curious. Smiley
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Reply #5 - Jan 4th, 2010 at 7:09pm
 
Hi Supermodel,

Not sure exactly why that thought occurred to me. I am not in the same state of mind during an OBE as I am when fully conscious in the physical. I’m a novice at this and have not personally experienced contact with a Guide or Helper yet. I have read they can appear in many different forms and human appearances. Bruce Moen wrote in one of his books about a Helper who first appeared very old and of a certain race/nationality and then changed to a dashing young Englishman - a former physical appearance of himself in a past life - in order to retrieve a trapped spirit.

So from what I understand, I am fully aware they can appear in many different forms, races, and nationalities. I was probably skeptical because I just randomly approached one of many of the inhabitants rather than him approaching me an introducing himself as a Guide or Helper. Because I’m so new at this, I probably had some belief there might be a communication or cultural gap between me and this older Eastern Indian fellow.

Maybe if he had told me he was my Guide or Helper, or if he was dressed in a cloak and hood, the thought never would have entered my mind. The only information I have on what guides "should" look like is from what others have written because I have never personally been introduced to one.

After returning back to physical consciousness and remembering the encounter, it seemed a bit funny I would think something like that because non-physical communication is non-verbal.

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Reply #6 - Jan 4th, 2010 at 7:22pm
 
Supermodel,

Have you met any guides, helpers, conscious workers, etc.? If so, how would you describe their appearance and do they always appear the same or do they ever change their appearance.

Do they always appear when you summon them? Must you always have a mission in mind (e.g., retrieval) before you try asking for a Helper? Or, can you summon one without any intent to accomplish a specifice task, but instead just to have a conversation to learn more about the afterlife?

Pardon me for my ignorance, but I have not been successful in encountering any Helpers during my brief OBE's or Phasing (Focused Attention) retrieval exercises.

What method do you use to explore the non-physical (OBE, Phasing or Focused Attention)?

Thank you

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Dave
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Reply #7 - Jan 5th, 2010 at 9:58am
 
Hey GV.

That's cool. Race is just not really important over there.
I actually asked for my guide to appear joking around with a friend on the phone.

I was reading about guides and I said, "Well if I have a guide, I'd like for it to show up right now!"

At 1:43am, she did. At the front door.

I was so scared I didn't move out of the bed until the sun came up.

She came to me as an African American woman. But they can take whatever form or shape so that's why I said that race isn't a big deal.

Keep your mind open to all possibilties.

My friend is mixed (hispanic and black) and her guide appeared to her as a white male.
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