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The True Nature of Reincarnation
Dec 30th, 2009 at 10:32pm
 
There is overwhelming evidence that most individuals are capable of perceiving themselves as being a totally different individual/personality living a completely different life sometime in the past.  These realizations are obtained mainly through hypnosis, but are also common in other altered states, like meditation and out of body.  Many of these people recall names, dates, events, and other knowledge that they were ignorant of before hand.  Some were even able to speak languages totally unknown to them.  There are also many cases of young children having these types of "memories," likewise recalling information they had no way of knowing. 

These are document facts, and are more or less undebatable.  However, it is the interpretation of these fats where the issues arise.  There are several popular explanations among those who accept these findings as truth and actually put thought into their meaning. 

Some believe that these individuals are tapping into the collective unconsciousness, which contains the memories of every human who has ever lived throughout history, and are experiencing the memories of other people first hand.  Others also believe that they are experiencing the memories of other spirits, but not by tapping into a higher source, but rather through a transference of energy from a discarnate spirit who has "possessed" or attached themselves to the individual.  This group generally does not buy into the reincarnation concept.

Others do believe these memories are reincarnationally linked to the person experiencing them, but there are even different interpretations within this group.  Some believe that these memories are from past reincarnational lives, and in between each one we spend time in the spirit world planning and preparing for the next life.  Others believe that these reincarnational selves are actually part of a larger self- the oversoul/higher self/disk, and that these other lives are shared by each member of the oversoul/HS through the oversoul/HS, but not personally, and so these memories are part of the oversoul's collective experience.

So what does the evidence suggest?

Well, it seems that the first group, those who do not believe in the reincarnation concept, either are unaware of or deny the evidence for reincarnation.  This evidence includes detailed accounts of individuals' lives in between their physical lives, and the ways in which they are aware of planning and preparing for their next life.

I can see how it can be argued that the subjects under hypnosis may have been influenced by the hypnotist to conjure up such stories from their imagination.  However, these experiences have been reported by the most prominent hypnotists in the field, who are highly skilled at asking questions in a way that doesn't interfere with true memories.  This life in between lives has been recalled by so many individuals from all walks of life that it seems to be a universal experience.  It has even been reported by those exploring consciousness in other ways, such as astral and mental projections.

Other strong evidence for reincarnation is the strong connection between the individuals and their "past lives."  In many cases there have been staggering similarities between reincarnational selves.  For example, injuries are sometimes carried over to the next incarnation and manifest as birthmarks, scars, and even mysterious diseases.  The identities of the deceased past reincarnations have been confirmed in many cases, as well as the injuries suffered and their similarities to the present individual's marks.  Many times there are almost identical physical, emotional, and mental attributes between present and past incarnations as well, these similarities being documented facts. 

Is this connection a result of a random viewing of a memory from some random individual from the collective memory bank, or caused by a random discarnate spirit attachment?  This doesn't seem likely.  There seems to be a deeper level of oneness in these cases.

It has been argued that some children have what they think are past life memories, only the people they "remember" being are still alive, and therefore reincarnation cannot be the answer.  However, if our higher self operates in a higher spiritual dimension outside of our physical time/space construct, then logically it is not bound by time or space, and can incarnate at any point of time simultaneously.

Many prominent explorers of consciousness have discovered this to be the nature of reality.  This is not just a new age concept.  This idea has been part of many ancient civilizations' philosophies as well.

The only explorer I have come across who's findings go against the reincarnational model is Emanuel Swedenborg.  He went against his own judgement on the matter and confided in what an "angel" told him.  Of course, it is rather apparent in his work that his interpretations of his experiences in higher realms, while being advanced for his time, are rather crude by our own current metaphysical standards and findings.

So what we are left with is a truckload of evidence supporting reincarnation being the source of these memories, and virtually none that goes against it.  But there is still an issue.

Which version of reincarnation is true?  The version in which we are personally experiencing every life and plan for the next one in between them?  Or the version in which our higher self sends out a multitude of incarnations throughout time, each one personally experiencing just one physical life but also simultaneously sharing the experiencing all the other incarnations through the oversoul.  Is there some sort of middle ground?  My research has shown that there is truth in aspects of both versions.
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Reply #1 - Dec 31st, 2009 at 2:17am
 
Hi Dude,

I've given a lot of thought to this issue, and decided that, unless I have a major spiritual breakthrough where, like Swedenborg or Cayce, I am permitted to travel at will to the spiritual realms and gather evidence, (all of which is unlikely, given how rare it is that an adept gets to such a level), I won't be able to sort the answer to your question out while I am alive.

But another thought to bake your noodle, is this; that if we are all part of the unity of God, suffused with God as the underpinnings of our being, and if our false sense of "separateness" causes much misery and suffering in the physical world, then the idea and theory of reincarnation may become moot.  The reason behind this is that we are starting out with the false premise that we are separate from God, and the unity.  That separate point of consciousness calls itself Matthew (myself).  If I postulate that when I shed my physical body, that separate point of consciousness then spends some time with planners to incarnate again, what I am really saying is that consciousness is not ready for the big picture, and insists on continuing this false separation from God and heaven (hence the need to reincarnate a false separate self).

Part of me believes on a gut level, that even at a young age, I felt there was a pre-life purpose and memory - I can "feel it."  And yet, much of what makes me a separate point of consciousness is, right now, a mixture of my innate reactions to life, and the wisdom of my accumulated earth-life experiences.  The idea, that I will keep shedding these experiences and wisdom on earth, so that the core of my soul can be tested again and again by being born on earth is intriguing, yet remains unproveable.  As I said, we are starting with a premise that I am separate from God and everything else - a premise which I believe to be faulty from the get-go.  Then we are saying that this false separate self reincarnates in order to "get it right."  Yet in truly getting it right, we must lose our ego based thinking and, in some ways our ideas of separate incarnations.

I give a lot of credence to E. Swedenborg's notion that mergers of thought could mistakenly lead many to assume the life they merge with was one of their own.  In reading of the transfer of thought in focus 27 and other realms, I have been told that huge amounts of data can be transferred in "thought balls," that take mere seconds, but convey days or weeks worth of data.  Its easy to see how, any person might confuse this for a past life of their own.

If there are soul groups, people in your "disc" who you are bonded to, then it is very possible that these personalities are so close to us, that they also at times appear to be our own past lives.

So for me, the issue of past lives is a difficult and complicated one.  Although I haven't closed the door on the possibility, it seems clear that we are meant to work with what we have in the here and now.  If we feel a deep wound or scar, and wish to heal that inside ourselves, in order to move on in our present life, that seems like a sensible idea to me.  For myself, if I can become more loving while alive, and lose selfish ways of thinking and unnecessary fears associated with the physical plane, I will feel that I accomplished quite a bit.

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Reply #2 - Dec 31st, 2009 at 2:22am
 
Its hard to say, we are part of our over soul. The I, is merely a spark of the whole. There is indeed a repetitious program playing, one few break the cycle of.

The only way off the merry go round is through the heart and sacrifice for another, so as to ofter that other an opportunity too see.

We have for the most part participated in what would be called an endless cycle, being reincarnated time and time again. Due to our own inapt inability to face and overcome the program set out.

Its not a miracle that someone reincarnates, its a miracle if they don't.
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Reply #3 - Dec 31st, 2009 at 7:33am
 
It is such an interesting question. To have love for and desire for the happiness and longevity of a body is a natural part of our existence -- necessary for our survival in a difficult world. At times, a joy to us, at others, only sorrow or pain. For the mind, freedom from the body is a joy to us, if we only knew. Freedom from the body, and freedom of the body, can be very similar.

To me, it seems like an endless road we are on, one that loops and loops like a vehicle flying around. We reach for the controls, we want to have control. But why would any creator of any worth give a child control of a dangerous vehicle -- one which can hurt that child or others?

It seems to me that such a creator would never do such a thing. Rather, a place may be 'marked off' for the children to play. Perhaps they might get hurt, but not too badly, while they learn and play their games. One day, their games become more 'real' to the world, and they are living 'their' lives. We then hold them accountable for what they do.

If we are following a path set out for us, perhaps the lessons are, indeed, very difficult.  And I'm not answering the question, am I?

Perhaps after death, we become creators of such magnificent details that certain qualities are essential. Like love. If we have only love for our own small circle of influence, what can we create? To have a larger love, for all that exists, and to nurture it all, is not only beneficial to the world, but to ourselves as well. We cannot 'see' with the mind of the creator without being able to step outside the 'box' of our own 'vehicle' to understand a larger picture of reality.

How does this change the reality of our own 'preciousness' -- our own several square feet of physicality? Very much. When our 'expansion' is right, the world flows. It moves just as it can move, as it does move, when conditions are right.

We are practicing, even down to our tiniest thoughts. For the big jobs out there, in my opinion.
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Reply #4 - Dec 31st, 2009 at 5:22pm
 
Greetings.


   I have some thoughts on why reincarnation is a good thing. I'm fifty years old now and I've seen enough of human nature to make an educated theory, though not to say that my perceptions will stay this way as I get older.

   Hinduism and Buddhism consider reincarnation mandatory in order to work off karma and achieve enlightenment. This world is more like a school to me rather than a playground. I look at it like God's school of learning love, compassion, sharing, and self improvement.

   There are those who come here for nefarious purposes and upset other's plans while incarnate. This also makes reincarnation good for getting another shot at what was planned before the screw up by another being or beings coming here with there own agenda.

   When mixing many beings from different worlds are coming together on a planet and all of them randomly selecting available bodies to inhabit, planning becomes a difficult process. First timers, old timers, and drifters incarnating here make reincarnation tricky to accomplish any significant goals before leaving this physical existence.

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Reply #5 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 7:41pm
 
Hi: Reincarnation doesn't come into play for the average being until one achieves the raising of "Kundalini" then all your baggage of eons of miss use of "Kundalini" power has to be confronted. Occasionally, as with Monroe and Moen (and myself) it comes up to resolve some important issue that requires contacting the event that could interfere with "present time" mission goals..

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Reply #6 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 1:13pm
 
Seraphis

What do you mean, "Reincarnation doesn't come into play?"  Like, it doesn't happen?  That is generally what that phrase means. 

How does one "misuse" Kundalini power?
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Reply #7 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 4:00pm
 
Seraphis:

Sometimes you say things that are based more upon what you read, rather than what your own experience tells you. I have awakened kundalini and have found it's better to find out for one's self what it's about, rather than rely on what others have to say. Especially since some kundalini viewpoints come from gurus who aren't what they claim (claimed) to be. I believe that a person who really understood something, would never put his or her self in the controlling position gurus put themselves in.

Seraphis1 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 7:41pm:
Hi: Reincarnation doesn't come into play for the average being until one achieves the raising of "Kundalini" then all your baggage of eons of miss use of "Kundalini" power has to be confronted. Occasionally, as with Monroe and Moen (and myself) it comes up to resolve some important issue that requires contacting the event that could interfere with "present time" mission goals..

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Reply #8 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 10:02pm
 
Doc

You're idea that we can bypass all the intermediary subdivisions of the afterlife, such as focus levels and the higher self, and go right to source is very similar to what David Icke says.  He says that during an ayuasca trip he communicated with an aspect of source who told him that these intermediary areas are more or less traps which keep individuals confined to the physical reality system and prevent ascension into our true state of being, which is oneness with source.  I am sure there are others who have had similar revelations. 

I suppose it boils down to what our reasons are for being here.  If it is to just have a different type of experience and then move on, then perhaps it could be seen as a trap.  But what if our purpose for being here is to perfect our spiritual selves as physical beings, to the fullest extent that the physical system of reality will allow?  Then it can no longer be seen as a trap.
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Reply #9 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 10:52pm
 
I belive that when we die.we sleep,and in no time we wake up as a baby,but our memorys of this life time are forgotten,and we will think that we are born here for the first time.George
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Reply #10 - Jan 4th, 2010 at 2:54am
 
George

Why do you think that?
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Reply #11 - Jan 4th, 2010 at 2:20pm
 
because when I was a crossing school guard,a young boy came over and looked at me,and I could my fathers eyes in him.he showed me a lot of love,and my father was dead only a year when this happened.George
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Reply #12 - Jan 4th, 2010 at 2:52pm
 
I don't see the connection.
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Reply #13 - Jan 4th, 2010 at 6:04pm
 
Dude,I think there was a strong bond between us,I could sense it.George
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Reply #14 - Jan 4th, 2010 at 7:30pm
 
I am sure there was some kind of connection.  What I am saying is I don't see the connection between your experience with the boy and your beliefs about reincarnation.
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