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Re: The True Nature of Reincarnation
Reply #15 - Jan 4th, 2010 at 9:35pm
 
Hello,

I will not try to convince anyone of my version of reincarnation as truth because that is indeed an impossiblity.  I go with what feels right to me and I would always suggest others do the same.

My feeling, borne out by my own reincarnational meditation and the assistance of hypnotic and akashic readers, has been that we plan what we intend to do in a specific life guided by certain milestones or indicators we have set up in advance to assist us in experiencing those events...all subject to free will and choices made at the time of those events.  Each life is an opportunity to create, develop and achieve a greater understanding of ourselves and the way we fit into our life/society/soul, and to develop the ability to accept our then created circumstances and deal with them with love and acceptance of our hand in causing it.  I do not see it as a test beyond that of playing golf...you went to the golf course, you tried to play the best you could, but in the end, it is what it is...you either feel good about it or you don't, you've made good choices or some not so good, but you're surrounded by beautiful countryside so why not enjoy?  Besides, we get to plan another life and come back out with another group of friends and try again, but playing another role in the play.  How much better could it get?

My soul, through its various lives or egos, (each of which are present with me at some level, sometimes easier to reach than others!) learns, creates and experiences through each incarnation, and each have lent me wisdom at times when I was open to it and/or when I have asked.

As far as ultimate assimilation with the Creator, naturally I would love to enjoy eternal bliss, ultimate love, unending ecstasy, together with knowing the All Knowing, but without experiencing the counter to each of these points, how does one appreciate the absolute?  And my guidance has assured me I am on the path and on schedule, so "enjoy the party!" 

I have currently a group of about 30 people I am currently among whom I've been involved for many lives and we've played countless roles with and for each other.  A few are in my soul group, and the connections are extremely strong, but directed toward others as all we have is common between us.  Others who are in my pod are those with whom upon meeting I have immediate affinity and it feels like we are reuniting instead of newly acquainted...these are those we plan with to live out our life plans, one of which is my current wife. 

I have been with my current wife in excess of 170 lives and she has been a child, parent and sibling as well as a wife...whether she'll play her role or not in this life is still undetermined, but if she is she must get moving!  If she doesn't there is another planned to take up her role in my life...interstingly I have heard and felt alot of things about her in lucid dreams and meditation but I am yet to meet her although we are in the same geographical and relational circle.  I won't meet her unless my wife uses free will to take another course.

I apologize for my rambling discourse as opposed to a formal and on point response...but it felt right and I thank you for the opportunity to type.  Love and light.
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Reply #16 - Jan 4th, 2010 at 10:17pm
 
Because this young boy in my opinion was my father incarnate.George
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Reply #17 - Jan 5th, 2010 at 2:09am
 
George, I understand that you think he was your dad reincarnated.  But why do you believe we sleep through our afterlife and go straight into another body?  There are loads of evidence against this, and in ways may be unproductive to believe such a thing. 
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Reply #18 - Jan 5th, 2010 at 12:41pm
 
I Am Dude wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 1:13pm:
Seraphis

What do you mean, "Reincarnation doesn't come into play?"  Like, it doesn't happen?  That is generally what that phrase means. 

How does one "misuse" Kundalini power?


Hi OBD: Sorry I got to this late. What I mean is the Oversoul, in my opinion doesn't make past life information available without a reason... Monroe used his past life experience to develope the method for handling the phantom phenomena... Moen got a cure of his illness which could have been fatal thereby ending his life before he could accomplish the higher mission he began to pursue.

The Oversoul want each probe to accomplish something, if it get preoccupied with past lives that could impede the goal of a specific life project.

Make sense?

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Reply #19 - Jan 5th, 2010 at 12:47pm
 
recoverer wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 4:00pm:
Seraphis:

Sometimes you say things that are based more upon what you read, rather than what your own experience tells you. I have awakened kundalini and have found it's better to find out for one's self what it's about, rather than rely on what others have to say. Especially since some kundalini viewpoints come from gurus who aren't what they claim (claimed) to be. I believe that a person who really understood something, would never put his or her self in the controlling position gurus put themselves in.

Seraphis1 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 7:41pm:
Hi: Reincarnation doesn't come into play for the average being until one achieves the raising of "Kundalini" then all your baggage of eons of miss use of "Kundalini" power has to be confronted. Occasionally, as with Monroe and Moen (and myself) it comes up to resolve some important issue that requires contacting the event that could interfere with "present time" mission goals..

S.



Hi recoverer: Unfortunately, I have not read your "kundalini" awakening episodes, if you have posted or shared them with the board... so there is no way to evaluate what your awakening was and what it lead to so I really can't comment. If it was real to you. More power to you. But, you seem to suggest that only your experience validates or contradicts all other experiences.

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Reply #20 - Jan 5th, 2010 at 2:26pm
 
I believe that little boy was my father encarnate
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Reply #21 - Jan 5th, 2010 at 6:32pm
 
I Am Dude wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 1:13pm:
Seraphis

What do you mean, "Reincarnation doesn't come into play?"  Like, it doesn't happen?  That is generally what that phrase means. 

How does one "misuse" Kundalini power?


Hi OBD: This is a mis-communication. 'Reincarnation" doesn't become important until you need to examine specific issues. The primary reason we got into the predicaments we get into in the physical plane is that when we had direct use and ability to manipulate and use kundalini power... we used it to dominate and control empires... then comes the dwindling spiral of loss of knowledge and the ability to be 'in the world' but 'not of the world' the more real the physical world became the more trapped 'kundalini' power final one remembered nothing but still had unseen powers... look at The Fool Card of the rider-waite Tarot deck... that is Kundilini... it is a fool... all power and no ability to discriminate or tell the difference between right and wrong... thats what reincarnation finally does introduce education... when kunadlini is released and raised in this context it... recovers its power and identity and has no desire to use it. That is my point of view.

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Reply #22 - Jan 5th, 2010 at 6:43pm
 
I Am Dude wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 1:13pm:
Seraphis

How does one "misuse" Kundalini power?


Hi OBD: Adolph Hitler abused Kundalini power. He was the protege of two members of the Order of the Golden Dawn. I think between the two of them they managed to raise kundalini to Hitler's Manipuri chakra (The Will Chakra). Interesting that Leni Riefenstahl called her great propaganda film "Triumph of the Will)... I have no doubt she was a member of The Golden Dawn group... but if you abuse the power it will destroy you and it did... I may have attempt a Hitler retrieval... see my thread in Partnered Exploration... but... the jury is out on what really happened.

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Reply #23 - Jan 5th, 2010 at 7:15pm
 
dude.i think that little boy is my father incarnate.
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Reply #24 - Jan 5th, 2010 at 7:51pm
 
George

You do realize that the child who approached you, assuming he was going to or coming from school, had to be at least 4 years old, yet your father was only dead for one year.  So do you think your father reincarnated before he died?
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Reply #25 - Jan 5th, 2010 at 7:52pm
 
Seraphis

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Reply #26 - Jan 5th, 2010 at 10:00pm
 
Among other factors, the following 3 factors should at least prevent posters from being dogmatic about their strong belief in reincarnation.

(1) In Dr. Ian Stevenson's study of past life recall in young children, 2 of the children recalled a "prior personality" who was still alive a the time of the child's birth!  This in itself is an powerful argument that possession, not reincarnation, is the source of the past life recall.

(2) More importantly, this finding confirms Emmanuel  Swedenborg's astral discovery in which he abandons his earlier conviction that he was experiencing his own past life recall.  ES ascends to higher heavens in which the falise doctrine of reincarnation is refuted and it is demonstrated to him that these memories are those of other discarnate spirits whose merger with ES's astral self has gone undetected.  It is well known that the memories of merging spirits are experienced as if they are those of the projector.  ES's guides offer to descend to the lower planes in which spirits are stuck in a reincarnation belief system to demonstrate this error, but the denizens of these planes are too close-minded to witness such demonstrations.  And ES's astral travel is confirmed by far superior verifications than those of modern adepts. 

(3) Those relying on Akashic or past life readers should be notified about a study of this done in the 1970s.  Past life readers were confronted with their inconsistencies from reader to reader.  They tried to explain these contradictions in terms of memories of different past iives.  So researchers did a study that inquired into immediate past lives.  No two past lives revealed by Akashic readers were the same!  This source of reincarnational memories has been discredited. 

(4) The most respected learned hypnotic societies uniformly reject past life regression as bogus.  There are at least 3 reasons for this: (a) Hypnotic regression is notoriously unreliable for the first 2 years of life. (b) Studies of distant memories has shown that these memories are created by a combination of distant memories and present imagination.  (c) Also, hypnotic subjects consciously or unconsciously try to anticipate what the hypnotist hopes to uncover and this invalidates most past life regression.  Respected associations of hypnotists recognized by medical science recognize this distorting factor. 

But the hypnotic state is psi-conducive.  So just occasionally some paranormal infornation can seep through.  But clairvoyance and temporary spirit merging is a more rational explanation of these cases then reincarnation.  Of course, those who need to believe in reincarnation will disregard all contrary evidence. 

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Reply #27 - Jan 5th, 2010 at 10:39pm
 
[quote author=7C5B4C4D5B4C550C3E0 link=1262226775/26#26 date=1262743255]Among other factors, the following 3 factors should at least prevent posters from being dogmatic about their strong belief in reincarnation.

(1) In Dr. Ian Stevenson's study of past life recall in young children, 2 of the children recalled a "prior personality" who was still alive a the time of the child's birth!  This in itself is an powerful argument that possession, not reincarnation, is the source of the past life recall.>>


You are assuming Dr. Ian's study is valid. His assumptions are based on a linear model. You need to think about what we know and don't know... reincarnation may not be linear in time and space... time and space may not truly exist... and everything is going on simultaneously all the time and we simple shift our p.o.c. through oversoul mechanics... there are the simultaneous incarnations an oversoul might have projected into the physical universe at the same time and the same vicinity... so unless you know how reincarnation works you can't study it very well by attempting to disprove it rather than gather a data base and see if a pattern can emerge that can define all the ways it might work.

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Reply #28 - Jan 5th, 2010 at 10:43pm
 
don.have you read and understud the bible?its full of reincarnation stories.jesus even told his follours that its true.you must be born again of the water and the spirit the human body is mostley water,and the spirit is spirit.people misunderstand,they say they are born again while living in this life.they are wrong.jim reed a avanalist,if you read his book.born again is very interesting.all you have is type in reincarnation,and you will find his book.it will open a lot of eyes.George
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Reply #29 - Jan 5th, 2010 at 10:49pm
 
Seraphis,

Many hypnotic therapists like Michael Newton write of linnear reincarnation as a way human souls "get it right" or achieve things/work their way through problems.  If all incarnations are simultaneous in the mental planes, then there is no sequential learning from previous lives...

Still, Don needs to sort out a few issues for me.  First, Don - where do you hypothesize you were  before you were born, and what was your state of consciousness?  Second question is, why does reincarnation have to be an all or nothing proposition?  If a stuck soul was bound to the earth life system and could not ascend to a higher heaven based on love, due to earthly attachments, does it not make sense that the soul would find a way back to earth and reincarnate if it were possible - even if it meant a loss of memory?  Also, how do you account for TMI people visiting focus 27 and going over their past lives or incarnations there?  All just a false belief system of focus 27?

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