Seraphis:

What are the Aperture and the Emitter?  Why are these things so important?  Are they crucial to enlightenment?

I wouldn't underestimate Recoverer's understanding and experience of the nonphysical.  I would bet you could learn a lot from him, OBD, ect...

There is much wisdom in their discernment.  You will find this one day.

Seraphis1, sorry about the workshop this weekend. But, there's always a reason, and the 'reason behind the reason' is always good. It sure doesn't always feel that way, but you just have to keep taking another step until you can see the beautiful view.

Sometimes it's right around the next bend.

nonphysicalguy wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 5:49am:


Hi Non: Too complex to explain. You need to read Robert Monroe's "Ultimate Journey" to get a definitive answer. Of course, Bruce has described his visit.

S.

Bruce Moen and Robert Monroe opened the eyes of any people to their abilities to explore.  But I think it is wrong to take their written experiences, and then explore thinking "I am going to find the reincarnation center with the curls Bruce describes, just so."  It is possible you will find it, but Bruce called it like he saw it.  Might your experience be a little different?

Seraflush (Sorry, B2 and OOBD started this and like B2, I couldn't resist - you  can call me DorkM), what if i told you that the focus levels, as described were a belief system unto itself, and not real discreet stages?  What if I said, as I did in a recent thread that Focus 27, the most popular idea of heaven where all is possible with thought ( the summerland described in other NDEs) is really just an initial way station for people not yet ready to leave their earthly ways (and so, in itself a hollow heaven)?

These questions come up in exploring.  And rather than quote Bruce's or Monroe's books, or TMI, we should be writing down our own experiences and comparing notes.

My biggest gripe, is that if we get too tied up in someone else's description of the afterlife, then we adopt a belief system with expectations, etc.

Admittedly, if we are not experiencing these journeys, and making slow progress, we may wish to adopt another's beliefs to look forward to - for me, its not the way I want to explore.

Matthew

DorkM:

Seraflush? It sounds like attached to his body dudette is getting to you.

Alberto VO5

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So you consider these things to be crucial to one's enlightenment, and yet you can't even explain them..  Not even a simplified breakdown?  Hmm.  Odd.  Seems to me like you don't know what your talking about.

Regarding you hounding Recoverer about his moral code for enlightenment... I'm willing to bet he developed his own code through experience, proper research, and discernment.  Your code seems to be whatever Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen say. 

There have been many questions asked to you on other threads which you have avoided as well.. talk about hypocrisy. 

<<Seraflush (Sorry, B2 and OOBD started this and like B2, I couldn't resist - you  can call me DorkM), what if i told you that the focus levels, as described were a belief system unto itself, and not real discreet stages?  What if I said, as I did in a recent thread that Focus 27, the most popular idea of heaven where all is possible with thought ( the summerland described in other NDEs) is really just an initial way station for people not yet ready to leave their earthly ways (and so, in itself a hollow heaven)?

These questions come up in exploring.  And rather than quote Bruce's or Monroe's books, or TMI, we should be writing down our own experiences and comparing notes.>>

Doc: We’ve been over this territory many, many times… the focus levels are arbitrary demarcation points established by reverse engineering to the satisfaction of primarily Robert Monroe… if you paid attention when you read his books, Monroe admits to not being a great researcher… he admits that he was not an exhaustive back checker of  the rough evidence he collected… he decided that it was enough to get enough confirmation that satisfied “him” personally that what he was calling a “known” was valid… it is up to YOU… to decide if you can put his info in YOUR box of knowns… otherwise yes to you… it is just a belief like all other beliefs…

(by the way am I supposed to be insulted by the nickname “seraflush”???)

S.