I can understand your problem with the term 'enlightened' to describe a 'master', and how striving for 'it' may not be the best approach all the time. But, following is essential in life, at certain times. It is important to find people that you trust, who can guide you at crucial points.

And, I believe that is what you are saying -- find that right guide, the one whom you can really trust -- don't necessarily hold on so tightly to your teacher that you cannot recognize your own worth, or the mistakes which your teacher, who is always learning, may make.

Also, different guides, teachers, counselors, etc. may serve your needs best at different times. Only you can make that decision for yourself.

Seraphish

I agree with recoverer that it's best not to base your expectations of what you will experience on the experiences of others.  This will limit your perceptions, and could possibly skew and/or block out what you do or would experience. 

As for this thread turning into another bash on false sources, I say let's move on to the heart of this post-the experience which Seraphis has described. 

You got a hole in your heart, I got a Whole in mine.   

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Hi b2: It was a describption of a phenomena... while doing a Wave exercise my heart chakra opened at its center creating a torus it was flowing energy into what I think is a "Vortex" that if you read Eckhart Tolle's description of his awakening into the "now" if I had been able to sustain the condition I would have entered the "Vortex" in which I "think" is the "NOW"... or the "Eternal Moment" that just always is...

When I write these things I assume most people on this board have had "phenomena"... happen to them or have read and can relate... but, it is a forum so all you have to do is ask... and I will give you an answer to the best of my ability to communicate..

Seraphis1

Hi All: This is interesting… I’m working my way through Bruce Moen’s “Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook” for those of you who have not done the book yet… Bruce has set this up on a read as you practice motif… i.e… until you do an exercise you don’t read ahead… I have been doing the exercises over and over until I get some mastery of each exercise… you can’t just do them once… I am having particular difficulty with “the silly little finger bending” exercise… finding the precursor function to “intent” is particularly subtle and elusive… so it is slow going… but, I have progressed to guess what… Chapter 7 is of all things “Heart Intelligence”!!!! ???  Can you beat that!!

Seraphis1

That's funny, Saranpiece (sorry, OBD is affecting me -- cut that out!), I had difficulty with the finger bending thing too. Never could get into that one, particularly. I'm not very good at playing by the book. But I admire those who can! I think it shows persistence and careful attention to detail.

I love using cds, so I do that, and I use my own methods most of the time, out of a rather large assortment that has taken a while to collect. I do tend to hang out with one 'teacher' for a while, though, to get the main ideas. One advantage to going 'by the book' is that you don't have to trust techniques you haven't seen before doing. It may alleviate some people's fears and help convey the maker's intent better to get into the details through different kinds of instruction.

Blah blah each to his own.

recoverer wrote on Dec 1^st, 2009 at 3:24pm:


Hi recoverer: Have you real all four of Bruce Moen's books??

S.

Seraphis:

I have all 5 of Bruce's books and read much of them.  Bruce isn't a guru, doesn't claim to be enlightened and infallible, so his books don't relate to what I wrote.