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Nov 12^th, 2009 at 12:15pm

The Facilitator

In either Far Journeys or Ultimate Journey Monroe asks his Inspec for a meeting with an important being… when he is taken to The Facilitator… The Facilitator is very surprised Monroe found him… he claimed to be 1800 years old, stopped eating and sleeping very early in his incarnation and has had only one incarnation… who is The Facilitator? Monroe says to him cryptically… “You know no one believes you exist”… The Facilitator tells Monroe he won’t meet him again… but, Monroe ask for his help with his work… the Facilitator says… “if I come, you won’t recognize me…”

Oddly enough Monroe remembered The Facilitator as a flyer at the glider airfield he frequented...

Who is The Facilitator?

Yogananda had Babajee said to be the Avatar of the planet and an immortal… who lives in the Himalayas.

Lobsang Rampa had Mingyar Dondup (a pseudonym) who claimed to be over 500 years old… but was subsequently stabbed in the back by a Chinese (???) operative (???)

Who are these guys??

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Reply #1 - Nov 13^th, 2009 at 12:42am

Hi

Two other such figures are the Bible's Melchizedek and the White Brotherhood's Thomas --- , --who was seen in Victorian England etc.
As you probably know they claim to be incarnate' forever' after becoming Light Eaters--they subsist on air/ by breathing.

I can't quite comprehend that. A meditative type of circular breathing does invigorate me but I can't keep it going for very long!

I assume The Facilitator was one such as these.

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Reply #2 - Nov 13^th, 2009 at 1:22am

betson wrote on Nov 13^th, 2009 at 12:42am:

Hi

I can't quite comprehend that. A meditative type of circular breathing does invigorate me but I can't keep it going for very long!

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Hi Bets: On one of Monroe's wave... discs he gives a cosmic energy exercise he claims will allow you to feed yourself thru cosmic energy and never have to eat again...

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Reply #3 - Nov 13^th, 2009 at 8:11am

I like to eat. And the disc is a space ship in IMHO. I truly do not desire to offend anyone, but no body has all the answers. You quest is very important to me. I learn from everything you are saying...but could f27 be the Heaven on Earth we were promised by Jesus before his words were used against his ideas. I'm just sayin.

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Reply #4 - Nov 13^th, 2009 at 10:32am

Beau wrote on Nov 13^th, 2009 at 8:11am:

I like to eat. And the disc is a space ship in IMHO. I truly do not desire to offend anyone, but no body has all the answers. You quest is very important to me. I learn from everything you are saying...but could f27 be the Heaven on Earth we were promised by Jesus before his words were used against his ideas. I'm just sayin.

Luv,
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Hi beau: I love you too... It might be profitable for you to re-visit Monroe's Far Journey and Ultimate Journey... in one of those books he describes a future Earth (slated to come into being after the destruction or change and evolve over a period of three thousand years... that would be about AD 5000...) which is very reminiesent of The Garden of Eden... there is nothing much more I can add to help you see the vision of The Monroe Disk... also maybe re-read Moen and the description of his Disk... I really can't get into the mechanics of the Disk construction on this forum this takes a great deal of study and background to understand... I see my Disk all the time... it is a pinpoint of light out in the etheric non-physical world, it is patiently waiting for me to merge into it... it loves me and I love it...

As for Focus 27, again I recommend a deep study of Monroe's Trilogy... and Moen's Quadrilogy... they clearly define Focus 27 as The Park... see my thread "I'll Be Seeing You" that is a description of The Park... it is a Heaven... after death if you hold your clear vision... you will be retrieved to the reception area for recuperation and orientation... then, when you are ready you will enter The Park... those of us who belong to the Monrovian disk will work on gathering all our phantoms... Laurie Monroe told Rosalind McKnight she was working on gathering her phantoms... this is probably the reason escape velocity will take about three thousand years to achieve... not only must our disk retrieve all of its probes but each probe must retrieve all of its phantoms... this is very involved Beau... it you are interested you must study, you must get into the non-physical thru... TMI... or some such practice... only you can find out who you really are....

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Reply #5 - Nov 13^th, 2009 at 12:05pm

Hey Seraphis

It is obvious that you have studied much of the material relating to Monroe's line of thought. I am curious though, as you are fairly new to the whole out of body experience scene, how much of your belief system you actually have experienced first hand.

It is interesting to read your responses- it is like you are a Monroe scholar lol. But I believe most people here have read that material, and we realize(speaking for myself actually, but I'm sure the feeling is somewhat mutual) that the Monroe and Moen material, while probably pretty accurate, may not hold all the answers, and experience is key to truly discovering the nature of these concepts. I would much rather hear responses based on one's personal experience, even if the truth on the matter isn't fully known, rather than some quotes from a book. But that's just me.

For example, you say that your escape velocity will take 3,000 years, and it will be your duty to retrieve all of your disk's probes. I am willing to bet that you haven't experienced the reality of this idea, but rather obtained the belief by reading the Monroe/Moen material. If I am wrong, then please, post your experience(s). But as you said, knowing the details of these things requires "a great deal of study." However, all the study in the world will never make these ideas "knowns." We can learn a lot more from each other's experience then we can from someone preaching material we have all read.

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Reply #6 - Nov 13^th, 2009 at 1:10pm

I Am Dude wrote on Nov 13^th, 2009 at 12:05pm:

Hey Seraphis

It is obvious that you have studied much of the material relating to Monroe's line of thought. I am curious though, as you are fairly new to the whole out of body experience scene, how much of your belief system you actually have experienced first hand.

It is interesting to read your responses- it is like you are a Monroe scholar lol. But I believe most people here have read that material, and we realize(speaking for myself actually, but I'm sure the feeling is somewhat mutual) that the Monroe and Moen material, while probably pretty accurate, may not hold all the answers, and experience is key to truly discovering the nature of these concepts. I would much rather hear responses based on one's personal experience, even if the truth on the matter isn't fully known, rather than some quotes from a book. But that's just me.

For example, you say that your escape velocity will take 3,000 years, and it will be your duty to retrieve all of your disk's probes. I am willing to bet that you haven't experienced the reality of this idea, but rather obtained the belief by reading the Monroe/Moen material. If I am wrong, then please, post your experience(s). But as you said, knowing the details of these things requires "a great deal of study." However, all the study in the world will never make these ideas "knowns." We can learn a lot more from each other's experience then we can from someone preaching material we have all read.

Hi Dude: Exactly why my personal beliefs and knowns are important to you I don't know... most of your posts also don't reflect experience... if you could access the Record you could see my archival history and you would post very different comments... but you either can't are you won't do the thing that requires intellectual honesty and integrity... but if it is any of your business...

Before I read Moen or did any TMI work I had this experience using Wave I - Disks ... I was in deep relaxation... suddenly my heart chakra opened up and a powerful stream of multi-colored energy flows rushed out of the chakra into the universe, I tried to climb it like jack in the bean stalk... but it was coming out of me so that option was impossible... suddenly it stopped... "What the hell was that," I thought... when I read Moen's work I realized holly cow... that is my filament connection to my disk...

Years ago when I was a practicing Yogi... I had this experience... in deep meditation I suddenly was in the now (something like... Eckhart Tolle) pure consciousness with out form... I saw the seven planes... and in that moment I knew the truth about the universe and how it was constructed....

Why would anyone on this board give a damn about my opinions and ideas or thoughts... I have absolutely no crediblity in the world... I use Monroe and Moen because they do have credibility... like any good scholar I try to reference my statements anchor them to respected authorities... unlike you Dude with all due respect because I do love you... I try to not express opinions and mostly qualify my "knowns" as belief for those who read them...

You obviously pick and chose what you want from what I say... I already wrote that I SEE my disk, as a pinpoint of light in the fermament all the time... it flashes in and out at odd times during the day... in trance state it comes closer and is about five or six inches in diameter...

I wrote I had a NDE and you say no you didn't... were you there did you feel the life force or fundamental energy body flowing out of my body... do you know that a dying man has an ejaculation of semen on death... thus the orgasmic nature of the sensations I felt...

Don't take this negatively... you ask for my inconsequential direct experience... these are a couple... but they are only known to me... nooneelse... I have no credibility

I try not to judge other people's reality... most of what I post is meant to be instructional and pointing to source that could instruct... I do not question other peoples reality or try to tell what they really experienced... but that is just me..

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Reply #7 - Nov 13^th, 2009 at 1:44pm

Perhaps you took my post the wrong way. It was meant in no way as some kind of attack.

Basically what I was trying to say is that your posts all seem to be straight from the books, as if they were right out of the lips of Monroe or Moen. For example, you tell Beau to read this and that from the Monroe books if he wants to be enlightened on the nature of Disks and The Park.

Now what I am saying is, this is not going to work. The only way for anyone to learn the truth about these concepts is to experience them first hand. No amount of reading will be able to change these ideas into knowns.

Now, if you perhaps detailed one of your personal experiences regarding the nature of the Disk or the Park which correlate to Monroe's ideas, that would be much more credible and convincing than just quoting Monroe. It shows that your ideas have some substance to them, that they are more than just hollow beliefs, that you have experience to back up your ideas. You say that your direct experience is inconsequential, but in reality it is of more significance than the quotes of any source could ever be.

I am not doubting your experiences, nor was I ever. You say you see a light that is your disk, I believe that you see a light that you believe is your disk. You say you had a spiritual experience in which you almost died, I believe that you had a spiritual experience in which believe you almost died. You say your heart chakra opened and you experienced your filament connection to your disk, I believe your chakra opened and you believe the energy coming out of you was your filament connection to your disk.

I take your word for what you say. The point of my comments about your experiences is that someone else could have the very same experiences and interpret them in a totally different way. I'm just trying to open your mind to other possibilities. There is no judgement involved.

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Reply #8 - Nov 14^th, 2009 at 8:40pm

I Am Dude wrote on Nov 13^th, 2009 at 1:44pm:

Perhaps you took my post the wrong way. It was meant in no way as some kind of attack. .

Hi Dude: You are misinterpreting what I write… it could be just the nature of posting.. But, I am not regarding you commentary as attacks… what they are is as good legal counsel would “object” on the grounds of insufficient evidence and opinion with out sufficient evidence…again this could be the nature of posting.

[/quote]Basically what I was trying to say is that your posts all seem to be straight from the books, as if they were right out of the lips of Monroe or Moen. For example, you tell Beau to read this and that from the Monroe books if he wants to be enlightened on the nature of Disks and The Park. [/quote]

In the first place Dude… that is the nature of scholarship, these are The sources… I am not a source… I am attempting to direct people to original sources… let them decide but from the horse’s mouth not mine as a hearsay source, again good legal counsel… object… the witness is interjecting personal hearsay accounts…!!! Objection sustain…says the judge.

. [/quote]Now what I am saying is, this is not going to work. The only way for anyone to learn the truth about these concepts is to experience them first hand. No amount of reading will be able to change these ideas into knowns. . [/quote]

Counsel agrees! I rest my case.

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Reply #9 - Nov 15^th, 2009 at 3:27pm

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but you either can't are you won't do the thing that requires intellectual honesty and integrity

This strikes me as rather hypocritical. You accept everything Monroe and Moen say as fact, and yet you have virtually no experience to back it up, and you refuse to question their ideas in the light of other explorers' findings. You follow them blindly, and this shows no intellectual honesty and integrity. You can push their ideas as strongly as you want, but it is hard to take someone seriously when it is obvious that they don't really know what their talking about.

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Reply #10 - Nov 16^th, 2009 at 12:28am

Hi

Everyone's experiences with the afterlife have a unique pattern, despite people here being grouped loosely with Bruce Moen's approach.

The way I've chronologically put together Seraphis' experience and reading was that first he had a full blown NDE or OBE, and then he went looking for explanations and other information that would help him make 'sense' of it. During that search he found that Robert Bruce, Bruce Moen, and Robert Monroe all deal with the same realms of experience he had at least that once. He says he is studying directly with Monroe and R Bruce.

Is that the way you all see it?

If that's true then his experience would be more like Allan McD, who took his NDE as motivation to study with what mentors he found, and now uses his skills for healing as well as OB explorations with humans.

Seraphis seems to have been busy studying those three rather than following through with his own explorations, like alot of students who come to this site and discuss the implications of what they've read. Seraphis apparently then chose to be a teacher rather than an explorer.

I'm not sure that discredits him.
And I'm not sure I've got his background straight.
Please straighten me out on this.

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Reply #11 - Nov 16^th, 2009 at 7:32am

Seph,

I have read Monroe's books recently and I find them fascinating, but they are his subjective experience as he could make sense out of them. I am merely making sense out of what I read in them. I don't take the Buy Bull jk literally nor do I take Monroe literally. It is subjective. This quest is like a scavenger hunt and no one has all the answers.

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Reply #12 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 12:21am

Hi All: Recently Doc M engaged the subject of The Facilitator and triggered this insight... The Facilitator is not all knowing... he/she (Monroe couldn't determine gender... but, believed the entity to be predominantly male) was very surprised Monroe found him... I forgot that wrinkle... unlike Babaji he is only in the physical plane since +/- 193AD, that would put him entering in the earth plane about 193 ad… a time of great turmoil in the Roman World… in 193ad five emperors, only 3 of which make it into the common lists of the Roman Emperors, the other two simply being rivals for the throne… he appears at a time of the disintegration of the Roman Empire… this is very interesting because in this time he was still eating and sleeping… but, unlike Babaji he seems not to engage the people around him in a movement… he only tacitly agrees to help Monroe in his work… and he tell Monroe that if he comes to the institute… Monroe will not recognize him… Monroe suggests he regards that as a challenge… interesting…

Now, this is what the forum environment is all about… not attacking or belittle others but being a medium to inspire insight…

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Seraphis1 Super Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 1446	Re: The Facilitator!! Reply #13 - Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 7:28pm The Facilitator is refered to in Monroe's work, but, I don't know which book... I no longer have the trilogy. S.
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