I wonder if all the major spiritual teachers and leaders, many who are further in the past, like Buddha, Yeshua, Krishna, etc., i wonder if they were alive now, would they knowingly and willingly support such an inhumane and cruel system (not to mention HUGELY polluting) so unique in its extremity in our modern times?

   Would they, or some, speak out about it, or would they remain silent?  Would they be worried if they were coming off as "spiritual" and worry about offending peoples defensive egos? 

  There is a non religious, but psychically derived book called "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ" by Levi.  Levi was an interesting man who spent a lot of time in mostly selfless service to others throughout his life. 

  He was convinced for a good portion of his life, that consciousness somehow "recorded" in some area of consciousness all human events and thoughts, etc.  He spent a lot of time preparing himself in meditation and prayer to be able to consciously tap into this area of consciousness at will in order to "read" same so to speak. 

  Pretty interesting considering the guy was born in the 1800's well before any more collective New Age movement.   

  Anyways, what was dictated from this level of consciousness wherein all human actions, thought, etc. is recorded, was an life account of the spiritual Teacher known to us today as Jesus.  It included his "lost years", and while i don't think it's a 100 percent accurate in it's psychic accuracy rate, it's still a very interesting and worthwhile book imo. 

  Why do i bring it up.  In this account, we find a young Yeshua, who even when 10 or 11 years or so old, became greatly distraught by the barbaric "burnt offerings of flesh to God" which was part of the ritual Hebraic sacrifices they practiced in his time.  Animals like doves etc. were quite literally tortured, killed, and then bled. 

  Again, we find human cruelty and barbarism towards animals, but this time even worse, in the name of God, as if God somehow appreciates or demands this.

   So little Yeshua, who probably had more spiritual awareness and PUL attunement in him at age 11 then, then the huge majority of us now even at ages 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 etc., became very upset by what he was seeing and tried to stop it by telling the Rabbi's that it was not only pointless but also plain wrong.  He begged them to stop this torture and cruelty.

  All the while crying at the sounds of pain and torture he was hearing on behalf of beings with very developed pain and emotional senses.  Simply put, being very empathic, he could feel their pain and fear--he was more CONNECTED to them in consciousness, or rather more awareness of his Oneness with them.

   Now, i'm pretty sure that he probably sometimes ate fish, and maybe even lamb, but according to the above account he wouldn't support the above needless and barbaric practice, nor do i think he would support, in our times, a system that is FAR, FAR, FAR more cruel and inhumane than even what he was seeing. 

Anyways, some food for thought, quite literally.

  Notice Crossbow that in my disagreeing with you, or rather in what you believe, that i did not make it all about you and how negative etc. you are? 

  Notice how your "debate" to both Albert and i are all about not the points we brought up, but almost totally focused on how negative, judgmental, unloving, and spiritually immature we are?

  What does that tell you about self?   What does it mean when a person won't civilly disagree the points or beliefs of the other, but instead spends all their time and energy focusing on tearing down the other(s) who has different beliefs? 

   You are well named here, Crossbow, a fitting name.

(Im feeling that vegetarian love now.) As far a PETA propaganda movies go, they are just that. Propaganda. Posting them on this sight is no better that posting movies/pictures of Hitlers atrocities. Both as sickening as the other. (They were removed because of their content.) Justin and Recoverer are just as correct in their assumptions about spiritually as I as a meat eater is. Spirituality is a personal thing. Just because ROMC's guild believed it right for her to go Vegy doesn't make it right for me. Not that hers is wrong...just that its differant for me. Think about the story of the mass of spiritual bodies all slithering all over each other in a attempt to have physical sexual experience in Bobs book. I believe the same to be true of anybody who keeps their mind closed and attuned to only one belief. Fundamentalist vegetarians could end up in a massive pile of rotting vegetables. Kidding of course but hopefully you get the point. Whats good for you doesnt necessarily mean it good for anyone else. Pushing your beliefs upon others is morally and spiritually wrong. Posting these sick movies in an attempt to sway people to your beliefs is wrong in my mind. Don't eat meet if you don't want to. But don't preach to other that its wrong or that they could miss the spiritual boat because they eat meet. That also wrong.  Just that your belief, dosent make my beliefs wrong. I think its great that some people are vegetarians. But I hold anything against people who eat meat. Now I do hold those responsible for the amoral treatment of animals, in low esteem. Now they are the bad ones. If you believed PETA, that would be all farmers and ranchers. But thats not true. That is a bold faced lie made in an attempt to suck money out of peoples pockets. (My opinion only) So I apologise for offending those vegetarians that feel that necessary. A  message to those who eat meat. Keep on eating it. Its all good. God probably loves you more.   

Beau,
Depending on where you live, you should be able to find a local farm that raises the cattle and poultry on grass and lets them run free. We found one a few years ago, and now purchase most of our beef (we buy half a cow which lasts us more than a year), our chickens and turkeys, and we get our eggs from there.  It is a small step, and it is more expensive, but I do feel better for it, both physically and spiritually.

That's the way it should be done. Local if possible. We also purchase as much of our meat products locally raised as possible. A friend of ours raises our pork, duck, and did do chickens also. Beef we haven't found, but we eat so little of it anyways it wouldn't work to buy a half for just the two of us. eggs are local and they just cant be beat. Dark and yellow. They are so good. They are just so much better when those chicken eat MEAT (bugs) than when their only grain fed. Knowing where your food comes from, including your vegetables is important. Purchasing veggies off factory farms could be considered just a wrong as factory farm produced meats.
Just because I eat meat doesn't mean I support the factory farms as shown in some of the postings. I surly don't. That would be like saying that because I eat vegetables means  I support factory farms that have pushed out the majority of small family farmers. Or I support those who have introduced modified grains and vegetables. I don't. Recover and AKA aren't wrong in their beliefs. Nor am I or Crossbow wrong, etc. We just have different beliefs.(IE Vegetarians aren't necessarily Christians, and meat eaters Muslims.) Its all just beliefs. Belief, not truth. What people like Monroe, Cayce, AKA, ROMC, Her advisers, myself, Recoverer, Mohammad,  Christ, etc think...are just beliefs. Nothing more. Nothing less. So if you believe that your spiritual experiences will be lesser if you eat some meats then they surly will be. But that just not the case for everyone. Me as an example. I believe that by eating grains and vegetables produced without good spiritual choncisness, like on factory farms, could,(COULD) be a detrimental spiritually as  eating meats produced on factory farms. But then thats just my belief, and in all reality may only mean something spiritual to me. Having communicated with the choncisness of plants, I know they are as alive and spiritually aware as any animal is. The belief that because they do not experience consciousness, even pain, the same way as a animal does, making them less or lower, to me shows an unknowing of true spiritual awareness and connection with God. Dont we all still have so much to learn?

Justin,
So true. Have you noticed how the local eggs break so much more easily? The factory farm eggs are engineered to have tough shells to prevent damage in shipping.  We also do the Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) for our veggies, although we have a garden of our own.  We get a box once a week from May go November of whatever is producing at the time. This was our first week and we got some small broccoli, lots of good lettuce and some radishes and Boc Choy (SP), which I have not figured out how best to cook yet. Teaching my kids to garden is one of the most rewarding things I do. That and soccer, which is probably less spiritually profitable than the veggies!