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Reply #15 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 3:59pm
 
If I remember correctly Rosalind Mcknight's book Cosmic Journeys states that it is best to not eat meat, but if you do, eat fowl and fish.

If you eat meat of animals that were raised in cruel conditions (a common occurence) you might pick up some negative energy.

If you don't eat meat, you need to make certain that you get enough Vitamin B12.  Quinoa is good because it has all 8 essential amino acids and is gluten free.

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Reply #16 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 6:07pm
 
My meditation teacher, who teaches in the Sant Mat tradition, advocates only vegetarianism, including not eating eggs. I say the proof is in the pudding (pun intended). Try different things and see what happens.  I've been vegetarian for 8 years now, and eggless for 2. No animal flesh, foul, or fish.  The Inca brand red quinoa requires no rinsing and is easy to make as well as delicious.

There are various disputes about B12, but it probably won't hurt to take a sublingual B12 anyhow.
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Reply #17 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 6:48pm
 
I attribute all my spiritual breakthroughs to the McDonalds near my church.  Every day, I begin with their Sausage McMuffin value meal.  Recently, I've been feasting on their new Angus burgers with 2 apple pies.  This meal always sends me into an altered state.  If there had been McDonalds in Jesus' day, I'm sure He would have been a regular.  Fast food leads to the fast track to spiritual growth.

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Reply #18 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 7:51pm
 
Smiley Fast food, the Holy Grail of spirtuality....what a concept! Yes, Don, I can see him there, once or twice. There are people to love everywhere, no matter what they are eating, right?
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Reply #19 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 8:10pm
 
Awe, come on Griffin, you didn't find it just a teensy tinsy little bit funny?
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Reply #20 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 8:13pm
 
It's deer hunting season here in Virginia, and soon my wife and I will get out there with our .243s and hopefully bag our limit.

Fresh venison is a real delight, much better than processed food you get a fast food places.  Healthier as well.

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Reply #21 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 8:19pm
 
That's so sweet, Griffin. I can feel the love. Smiley


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Reply #22 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 8:21pm
 
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That's so sweet, Griffin. I can feel the love. Smiley




It might seem strange, but I feel it too!

God Bless Strange Love!
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Reply #23 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 8:23pm
 
Yeah, Strange Love, that's my favorite kind....I can fly on that for a while, I think...thanks!
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Reply #24 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 8:27pm
 
Love is strange. It's why it's so familiar.

Hello Stranger!

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Reply #25 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 8:34pm
 
And a great big hello to you!
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Reply #26 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 9:09pm
 
Don is right.  Ever have the McChicken?  It's like Jesus on a bun.
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Reply #27 - Nov 7th, 2009 at 2:53am
 
These food trends, other than the ever-popular fast food, offer all sorts of alternatives.  We have the recent slow food trend; and we know we all need to slow down.  The raw food trend; think of all the energy we could save by never cooking anything.  Organic, of course; at least we can avoid some of those additives, preservatives and other chemicals.

I did enjoy Michael Pollan's books, Omnivore's Dilemma and In Defense of Food.  They certainly force one to think differently about what we eat and why, the why being very much driven by the political and industrial agricultural forces.

I thank all of you for your thoughtful comments in response to my initial inquiry.  Well, at least until this thread degenerated into a bit of giggling and hostility.  But there's always room for both, I suppose.
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Reply #28 - Apr 26th, 2011 at 1:05pm
 
I must have been on a forum hiatus when this thread was written as this subject, within a holistic framework, is a particular interest and focus of mine.

  I have mixed feelings about this subject because i know if the right awareness and intentions aren't there, info related to such "outside" issues like this can easily become dogmatic and thus limiting in nature. 

  It's a pretty relative issue in some ways. I would start off by saying that no diet or lack of diet will or could ever directly make one more spiritually intune or less so.  That is done solely by our intention, desire, motivations, and via our ability to choose.  Basically how we treat and relate to fellow humans impacts this process the most.  This is summed up in one of Yeshua's sayings about, "it's not what goes into a man's mouth, but what comes out, which defiles him."   

But his teachings also have to be taken into context, he was talking to people at the time who were largely nearly obsessed with outer ritual and dogmas, some of which involved what to eat, what not to eat, what to wear or not, having to wash ones hands and feet, etc.  These rules, rituals, and dogmas unfortunately became more important than the heart and Spirit aspects of their beliefs. 

  This is still a potential issue for many people, BUT we also live in a very different time than this past cycle in some ways--particularly as to the extreme toxicity of our physical environment nowadays.   Hence, paying more attention to physical health becomes almost a necessity in these extreme and in many ways--unnatural times. 

  Diet and health lifestyle choices can have what i call indirect effects.  When we eat consistently healthily, exercise rightly and sufficiently, etc. our conscious connections to our more subtle consciousnesses often becomes clearer if the intention is a more constructive than not one. 

   From experience and guidance, i agree wholeheartedly with outer sources like Rosiland McKnight's guidance, Edgar Cayce's guidance, and Tom Campbell's information.

   But as Spooky astutely noted earlier, such outer changes have to be consistent with inner changes otherwise they won't have much impact in and of themselves. 

  But as "Ah So" and Rosie's general guidance noted in her book Cosmic Journeys, because of the law of Like attracts and begets Like, often when we become more spiritually intune within from making the necessary inner changes, living ethically and lovingly in relation to others, etc. we start to become more automatically attracted to healthier and more life promoting diets and general lifestyles.  I have noticed this trend in my own life pattern.

  In other words Creative Life consciousness promotes/begets and attracts the same or similar.  I don't find it an "accident" for example (there are always exception to the averages or "rule" though), that many  people that i have met who has struck me as unusually spiritually intune either ate very little meat compared to the average or no meat.  Why?  The Spirit or Consciousness within when awakened to a certain point, starts to reject the heavily fear laden emotions and energies that so permeate meat.  This is a very dense/slow vibratory consciousness and does not mix with or attract the fast vibratory consciousness states of love, compassion, being ethical, etc. 

  Before i start another post about foods etc., i will take a self centered moment to explain where i am coming from in this whole diet and health lifestyle thing, as it is a bit ironic if you could read my Soul history.  I've become an "expert" in this from the mistakes i've made.

   I come from a "past" (another life) of having been more consciously aware of guidance than most during the period when my other self/i lived, but this self was a more passive channel in some respects.   But he was a communicator.   

  He had very poor health and lifestyle choices for the most part.  He ended up suffering plenty physically for it, but worse than that was the knowledge that his service to others was negatively impacted by his poor and selfish choices in this area. This service was very much important to him.   His guidance told him a number of times that he needed to clean up his diet and health lifestyle act, that it was necessary if the information was to come through more clear and holistically accurate.  He didn't tend to listen too well despite that his service activities were important to him.  I think deep down he did know better, but his selfish and slow vibrating aspects in these areas were stronger than his ideals.  Sometimes he even used spiritual teachings or concepts to justify these strong material-emotional attachments.   How easy it is to delude self at times, especially when half truths are there!   

   After he transitioned from the physical to the nonphysical, he became more fully and clearly aware of what his guidance was trying to explain to his stubborn and not particularly listening at times self.  So, he realized a change or balance was necessary, rather our Disk/Consciousness essence realized this and voila here is one of my main karmic paths in life to attempt to redress this imbalance.

   My astrological chart shows both these themes in various repeating manners.  It shows the past focuses etc. symbolically, and it also shows what i am to work on primarily in the present life.   It is quite amazing how much it encodes or indicates about this.  Perhaps not surprisingly, i've developed some health issues and dis-ease in this life as a way to force me to pay more attention to these aspects of attuning.  In hindsight, i am thankful to and for these suffering conditions as they were the necessary catalysts to make me balance myself and move into wholeness more. 

  My deepest intent and desire is to become a pure channel of Source & PUUL Consciousness.  That is what is most important to me in this life.  My primary focus.  That is very hard to do in a physical life without the necessary holistic balance that comes from perfectly coordinating the body physical with the mind/Soul and Spirit levels of self.
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Reply #29 - Apr 26th, 2011 at 2:26pm
 
  Diet etc:  Meat, particularly the meat from more emotionally developed and attuned animals like cattle, pigs, goats, deer, sheep, etc has been mentioned.  The primary reason for avoidance of this kind of meat has been mentioned which is primarily because when these animals are raised and go to the slaughter, and potentially to a lesser extent when hunted, feel a lot of emotional fear when they are dying. 

  If one feels one must eat meat of these kinds of animals, then the best kind is from animals who were not aware of their imminent death and of course who were in happier and healthier conditions.   

  Where i live, in the country of America, such meat is very, very, very rare and hard to find unless one goes out and hunts it or raises oneself. 

  Besides the consciousness and energetic issues, heavier meats just tend to be harder to digest in general.  The concentrated complex proteins take a lot of stomach acid to break down fully and properly, and tend to be hindered especially if amounts of starches are ingested at the same time.  These starches will prematurely neutralize too much of the hydrochloric acid necessary to break down these concentrated complex proteins. 

  Foul and especially Fish on the other hand, are not near as emotionally developed as the former mentioned animals.   There is a certain amount of fear experienced, but it's a more instinctive reactive automatic process of "get away now to preserve life", and less emotionally laden.   The former mentioned animals are closer to humans in how they experience and feel fear in a very emotionally powerful and laden way.

  But even then, it is not helpful to eat too much fish or foul too often and too consistently.  It still slows down the body vibrations, just not to the extent that the other meats do. 


  Generally speaking, the more natural, the more nutritious, and the easier to digest the food, the better it is for your body and the holistic balance of your consciousness system. 

  This precludes many preservatives, chemical additives (for the former especially artificial kinds), pesticides, overcooking certain foods or undercooking certain foods. 

  The best and healthiest food will also be the freshest and most locally grown food.  Food caries the vibratory patterns of the surrounding physical environment to some extent.  Hence, when you eat primarily food grown in your local environment you are harmonizing your body vibratory pattern with the surrounding area.  This facilitates greater balance.  Harmonization, then balance, tends to leads to opening up greater energy levels.   It's just the way this Consciousness system works. 

  Cooking in some cases is quite helpful and helps to make a food more digestible, but in other cases raw is better because the enzymes present in certain raw foods assists in the digestion/break down and thus assimilation of that food. 

  If you eat a lot of foods that need to be cooked in order to digest better, like legumes and the more hard, fibrous, and tuberous vegetables, then one way of makign this food more "alive" again is to culture or ferment it.   

  This makes it even easier to digest, often increases certain nutrients, and adds helpful microorganisms to your system which do a number of helpful things. 

  For example, i like lentils a lot, but even cooked they are not the easiest to digest food in the world.  So i do a couple of things which helps to change this.  Food i soak the raw beans at least overnight.  Then i cook.  Then i blend this up, and add fresh, homemade Kefir to it and i let the Kefir organisms work on it for a full day or two before i refrigerate.   It might sound like a lot of work, but really it's more simple and less work than you think, but it is more time involved in the long run. 

Not only does the lentils become easier to digest, more nutritious, but it changes the somewhat bland flavor of same and adds some interesting and more complex flavors. 

  Another general issue is the simple one of eating too much.  It seems that many people just eat too much food within a meal and throughout the day.  One doesn't have to be overweight for this to be the case. 

  A big thing in diet, which is mentioned time and time again in the Cayce readings, and to a lesser extent with Rosiland McKnights guidance is the issue of food combining. 

There are plenty foods that by themselves are fairly good for you and easier to digest, but when you mix them with very different food groups, this changes the digestibility because different food groups require different acids, alkalines, and/or enzymes, etc. to properly break down.   This is not yet recognized much in mainstream and medical based paradigms, but that is largely because these tend to lack the holistic perspective that understanding such things require.

  A quick example:  Most fruits are pretty easy to digest, nutritious, alkaline reacting, and generally healthy for you. 
  Conversely, most veggies are relatively easy to digest, often quite nutritious, alkaline reacting, and generally healthy for you. 

  But what happens when you eat both in the same meal?  On a basic level, they do not harmonize, but more materially speaking they are digested in different ways and at different speeds.  Most raw fruits are digested very quickly, and many veggies take a longer time.   

  Mixing these in the same meal puts a strain on the digestive system, and if your digestive system is already strained to begin with, chronic habits in these area will tend to lead to dis-ease or even disease of some kind eventually--especially if the body is not often cleansed and revivified by enough meditation-prayer, positive loving thoughts, acts, etc. 

  As mentioned by Edgar Cayce's guidance and confirmed through my own experience, the best combination of foods are vegetables with starches, vegetables with heavier or lighter proteins, fruits alone or with smaller amounts of lighter proteins. 

  The most harmful combination are heavy proteins with amounts of starches (especially more complex and harder to digest ones like wheat and some other grains), veggies and fruits,  starches with most sweets or fruits, heavier proteins with fruit and sweets, and amounts of sweets/sugars with amounts of fat/oil. 

  More specifically, some particularly harmful combos are Coffee with milk or too much sugar, Tomatoes non vine ripened in general or even if so when mixed with starches or heavier proteins, and citruses with milk and most starches.

  Food combination naturally leads us to the issue of the alkaline acid balance in the body and the extreme importance of same.  Yet another issue and subject that most mainstream and medically based paradigms don't look at or scoff at, but yet when people with developed cancer in the body have their ph levels taken via saliva or urine, it's almost always universally very acid polarized. 

  Edgar Cayce's guidance also spoke time and time again of the importance of the acid alkaline balance in the body. 

Generally speaking, much of the typical American and to a lesser extent general Western diet is acid forming in nature.  This might not be a problem if the basic body metabolisms weren't acid forming in nature, but they are! 

  Hence, generally speaking,many people would benefit from eating a more predominantly alkaline reacting diet. 

  But not is all as it appears on the surface with this whole acid and alkaline thing.  Take for example, the lowly but nightly Lemon tah dah.  Pretty acid in it's normal state primarily because of the large amount of citric acid in same.  You might think that it's a highly acid forming food... 

  But that same Lemon contains huge amounts of potassium.  Potassium is quite a negatively charged (very alkaline or high ph) salt mineral, and there is much more potassium than citric acid.  Under ideal circumstances when you ingest from lemon, your body neutralizes the citric acid and unlocks the potassium from it, and when all is said and digested, it leaves behind a predominantly alkaline "ash" which enters the blood stream as nutrition that is predominantly negatively charged. 

Now if you eat that same lemon or drink lemon juice with some dairy or starch or steak for example, then chances are the conversions are not done properly and the lemon remains acid forming. 

Generally speaking, most vegetables are alkaline reacting with some exceptions, most fruits are alkaline reacting with some exceptions, most starches are from moderately to mildly acid reacting with some alkaline or neutral exceptions, all heavier proteins like meat or concentrated soy protein are quite acid forming, most dairy is from mildy acid forming to slightly alkaline forming (with the exception of certain Cow dairy cheeses which are moderately acid forming), most lighter proteins like most legumes, nuts, seeds range from slightly acid reacting to slightly alkaline reacting, and most concentrated sugars are highly to mildly acid forming with some exceptions. 

  Back to the combination.  All of the inharmonious and difficult to digest combination lead to large amounts of acidity. 

Basically, the ideal healthy body is one that is slightly alkaline in nature.  Your body works very, very, very hard to maintain the very specific range of ph of the blood, but if you keep stressing and hindering that process and there is even a slight shift in that ideal ph of the blood, dis-ease, disease, and eventually death results. 

  Some get confused by the whole acid and alkaline balance because of not understanding the holistic nature of same and that we're talking the general body system and not every specific organ or system in same. 

For example, your stomach is supposed to be highly acidic, if it wasn't, it wouldn't be doing it's job.  We're talking chronic acid buildup in the tissues and fat of the body, which again can eventually lead to that super detrimental very slight shift in blood ph.  PH of the body is best measured through a combo of saliva and urine and in a very consistent sense. 

  If both consistently measure only very slightly acid, base/neutral, or slightly alkaline, then chances are your body is more or less ok. 

  Now another important factor.  Physical activities tend to burn acids.  So, the more physically active you are, generally speaking the more of an acid reacting/forming diet you can eat and really, one will tend to need.  Many acid forming foods have a lot more calories. 

If you are more sedentary and tend to use your mind much more than your muscle, then you will need a greater Alkaline reacting diet to maintain health and equilibrium. 

  Climate also matters!  The hotter and/or hot and humid the climate, the more alkaline reacting foods you need to eat.  They produce less "body heat" than the heavy proteins and certain starches like Wheat. 

   The colder the climate or rather the more exposed you are to actual colder climates and temps, the more acid forming you need to eat in order to maintain health and body balance. 

  The Eskimos need all that heavy protein and fat in their diet otherwise most of them probably wouldn't survive well unless they spiritualized the body more completely (like some of the Tibetans do more so). 

  For the average person is moderate, seasonal changing climates, it's obviously better to eat less heavier proteins and easier to digest foods like fruits and veggies and some starches in the Summer and the reverse in the Winter.  Spring and Fall are pretty much whatever floats your boat...err.. i mean circulates your blood.

  Ok, we've covered most of the important basic principles.
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