I"m not buying the Adam and Eve myth but if I did I would have no problem believing that there were many souls before there were two humans. Curls if you prefer, to use Bruce's terminology. I don't really see that your thought has much to do with the relevance or possibility of reincarnation or lack of that possibility. Recycling makes more sense to me than some things, but wouldn't you be reincarnated in another plane if not of the earth...especially if physical existence is a good teacher. Of course that can argued too I suppose.

Beau wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 10:03am:



What about the two original humans, humanity must have started off with a male and female, that is hard science not myth?

Beau wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 10:46am:


Then we must take the karmic reincarnation view that we all started out as microbes became cockroaches etc etc. But how the heck can one cockroach become better than his fellows and by the process of karma reincarnate into a higher form of life, say a frog?? 

   Lately, I've been tuning into parts of the animal kingdom wavelengths and can feel the association with spiritual energy. The books that I've read when my skills were non-existent at meditation gave me an idea of what happens to us and all other beings in existence that have souls.

   Reincarnation may not be mandatory at all, but a compelling desire by the being to reconcile past events for it's own reasons. The moment of death may have alot to do with what options the soul has for taking.

   The concepts that come up in some person/animal/vegetable's mind at the moment of death dictate what doors can be opened for further progress, within reasonable boundaries.

   So I feel that it's up to the individual entity to create the ability to comprehend the possibilities available to it for making progress through this multiverse of God.

I really like Edgar Cayce's "Many Mansions" and ALL of Brian Weiss' books regarding reincarnation and karma.  Weiss' latest book is based on "progression therapy" which is so interesting when paired with "regression therapy."  I think you might find the answers you're looking for from those books.

Touche!

I have many reasons for rejecting reincarnation, but will restrict myself to just 6:

(1) Emanuel Swedenborg is the astral explorer with the best verifications.  ES was initially convinced that he was recalling his past lives during astral exploration.  But when he ascended to the higher heavens, his guide warned him that these were not past lives, but rather undetected possessing spirits.  It is well known that the memories of such spirits are mistakenly experienced as if they were those of the astral traveler.  Then ES's guide descended with him to a reincarnationist hollow heaven and offered to demonstrate to its denizens that their reincarnation beliefs were mistaken.  But they were far too stuck in their overview even to witness such a demonstration.  Modern New Agers freeze like Bambi in the headlights in the face of ES's discovery and invoke other members of the New Age Ghetto who merely reinforce their discredited beliefs.   

(2) The best evidence for reincarnation comes from Dr. Ian Stevenson's research on the past life recall of young children.  Yet even here, in two of his cases the child is already alive well BEFORE the alleged incarnating spirit incarnates!  Thus, the children seem to confuse possession by an undetected discarnte spirit with reincarnation.

(3) Occasional cases in which birthmarks are alleged to correspond to the fatal wound to the prior life strike me as worthless evidence.  Such cases are rare and our bodies are blotched with all sorts of skin marks.  It would be shocking if there rarely were correspondence between the birthmark and the fatai wound of the prior personality!  Besides, how do we know whether the birthmark is merely close to the wound in question?  And if the reincarnating soul can cause such a birthmark sign, why not ensure that the initials of the prior personality are "engraved?"

(4) The absurdity of Robert Monroe's past lives refute themselves. e. g. (a) a past life as a pilot in another world dodging spears thrown by cavemen; (b)  a past life as a priest ritually torturing Nancy (his late current wife) with a spear in an ecstatic intiation ritual.  Such past lives rank with his astrally discovered claim that space aliens visit the earth to explore human jokes.   No rational reader outside the New Age Ghetto would find such claims plausible.  So much for past life memories.

(5) Karmic based reincarnation implies increased wisdom and spirituality over many reincarnations. But if anything, humans are getting morally worse.  For example, Christians in India are now being increasingly murdered by increasingly violent Hindus.   

(6) Much evidence from OBEs and NDEs demonstrates that the afterlife is our future career in which several schools exist to teach us how to face the challenges of new worlds.  Such a scenario implies that we don't need several earthly incarnations.  In my view, karmic reincarnationists are earthbound souls.   

Don