Dude wrote: "I read a couple of Moen's books.  I really didn't get much out of them.. I learned a few new things, but nothing groundbreaking. 

My beliefs about the oversoul come from a mixture of the work of Monroe, Jane Roberts/Seth, Bashar, Robert Bruce, and of course my own personal experience with my HS."

Recoverer responds: "I checked out the Bashar site and found the below words (I added the strike commentary):

"Bashar shares the idea that Santa Claus is a nature spirit created by our collective consciousness and discusses the symbolism of his red suit and reindeer (strike one). Also in this session, Carl Sagan sends a message (strike two). Bashar recommends reading: "Conversations with God" by Walsch (strike three)."

Recoverer

Oh boy, here we go again.  Discrediting a source because you disagree with a minute portion of their work.  You obviously enjoy antagonizing.  What is your motivation behind this?  Something is not right here- there is simply no reason for this kind of nit picking.  It's borderline pathetic.

It is obvious that you have not listened to the many hours of his recorded sessions, for if you did you would know of the truth that radiates from him.  Until you are knowledgable of the totality of his work, you will not have the proper perspective.. of course, this goes with anything.  I am not saying that everything Bashar says is true- but I am saying that a lot of it is, and he offers unique perspectives which have helped more people then you ever will.         

Dude:

First of all, I've read enough so-called channeled sources to know what they're about.

Second, I searched Bashar's site because I had no idea what is about, and hoped that it might have some useful information.

I read the paragraph I posted, and saw two things that seem quite erroneous and one that seems questionable. What he says about Santa Claus is a bit much. What's next, Batman and Robin can be found in the astral realms as actual entities because some of us created them? I believe there is more to creating a soul than phantasy based mind activity.

He wrote that Bashar recommended reading Conversations with God. No high level being would recommend such a thing, because a high level being would understand that Walsch didn't actually channel God, and that some of the things he says are inaccurate and misleading.

Regarding the supposed message from Carl Sagan, on this basis alone I can't say whether the Bashar source you refer to is fraudulent, but I've found that people who make the claim of channeling some famous person tend to be full of beans.

I don't care how many accurate things a fraudulent source of information has to say, at some point they are going to say something that is inaccurate and lead people astray.

If an unfriendly being is behind their messages, then such a being will find a way to mislead people without their realizing they are being misled, as is the case with ACIM.

I have far too much respect for my soul to allow myself to receive information from a conman who purposely tries to mislead people. To allow myself to receive information in such a way, would be the same thing as being supportive of what such a conman does.

Here's another way to put it. There is so much grace available to us, we don't need to rely on what the conmen of this World have to say.

recoverer wrote on Oct 27^th, 2009 at 5:38pm:


Hi Recoverer: I admire your efforts to at least question sources that come from the otherside... you may or may not be correct... and Bashar doesn't have to have the correct interpretation of what he saw... luckily for us Bruce Moen's vision involves a Whiplash Snidely kind of character but draws no conclusion about the character or why he saw it... the cartoon nature of some of the events one encounters may have to do with the way the oversoul or your own personal processing skills, interact and give YOU... information YOU can process from YOUR resource base... be careful of condemnation without careful investigation and a lot of leaway in things that don't much matter overall... if Bashar was trying to get $10,000 from you with some secret of the universe that may be grounds for running not walking away.

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I read the paragraph I posted, and saw two things that seem quite erroneous and one that seems questionable. What he says about Santa Claus is a bit much. What's next, Batman and Robin can be found in the astral realms as actual entities because some of us created them? I believe there is more to creating a soul than phantasy based mind activity.

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Recoverer: You realize that all these powerful comic characters are archtypes... they do exist somewhere in the subconscious, unconscious as real entities generated by belief systems surrounding them... their popularity is resonating in the world population for a very good reason... this is deeper than you think

Recover where did you read the stuff about Santa Claus I went to the site... you have to pay $15 to get the essay.

Seraphis1:

I won't try to make contact because I don't believe that Bashar exists. Even if he does exist I still wouldn't want to make contact, because he recommends that people read Conversations with God, and I don't believe a light being would recommend a source that misrepresents God in the way CWwhoever does.

Below is the link to what I posted about Santa Claus.
Scroll down until you see the title that says "Is There a Santa Claus."

http://www.bashar.org/HOMEMAIN.html








Seraphis1 wrote on Oct 27^th, 2009 at 7:04pm: