I have one question for the board.. has anyone here talked to a CW (consciousness worker) at the planning center of focus 27?  With respect to Swedenborg what his guides told him may not have been understood clearly by him… throughout Moen and Monroe’s work the CW’s always say what we are telling you is told in a way you can best understand it… Swedenborg may not have understood the phantom phenomena… Monroe reports three phantoms connected with one life time in which he was speared in the back. He released all three over a number of years. Just a thought.

Let's remember something very basic about this whole reincarnation thing.

When we are born, do we say to ourselves "oh boy, here I am again, great to be alive again!"

No.  We have no recollection of having a prior life (except for what is recalled under hypnosis or the deja vu experience, neither of which proves anything).

So, as we go about our daily lives, what difference does it make if we lived before or if we didn't?  If we don't remember, the net effect is zero.

The whole "debate" is basically pointless and somewhat silly.

If I lived before and have no memory of it, that's the same thing as not having lived before.  Simple as that.

R

Roger:

I don't believe it's that simple. When people believe in reincarnation in a conventional and linear way, the following can happen.

-They become depressed because not only do they have to deal with the difficulties of this life, they have to deal with the difficulties of numerous lives. On the other hand, a person who doesn't believe in reincarnation might be more likely to maintain a positive attitude because he (or she) believes that only one physical life needs to be dealt with.

-Some people end up following gurus because they believe a guru will empower them to become enlightened and avoid having to reincarnate. I believe it is a mistake to hand another person the key to our spiritual welfare.

-Some people believe that bad things happen to people because of karma. For example, a child gets beaten by his parents because past life actions make it so he deserves to beaten.

If one believes that a parent abuses a child for reasons that have nothing to do with what a child deserves, one can view such a child as perhaps a very brave soul who took on the burden of incarnating into a lifetime where he will undeservingly get abused by his parents.

Some people become lackadaisical because they believe that past life karma prevents them from changing their life situation.

-People who believe in reincarnation will consider past life issues when trying to figure out their psychological issues. Because hypnosis can lead to false memories, they might consider issues that dont apply.


rondele wrote on Oct 26^th, 2009 at 3:05pm:

rondele wrote on Oct 26^th, 2009 at 3:05pm:


Hi: The problem is many people do remember... children particularly remember and can't use the information.

The bottom line (at least for me) is this:  Regardless of whether reincarnation exists or not, the real point is how we live the life we have right now.

If you believe in the life review that many people have experienced during a NDE, they all say the same thing.  Namely, what's important is what we did (or didn't do) in the life we just completed.

We can spend our entire life debating or speculating about this or that until the cows come home.  If that's how we want to use what limited time we have here on earth, that's our decision.

But to do so inevitably will take our eyes off the prize.  We can be completely ignorant regarding the afterlife and reincarnation or completely informed about all of the pros and cons.  Doesn't matter.

What matters is how we live our life in the here and now.  I would bet that 100 years from now, or 1000, folks will still be wondering about the same things that are discussed right now, just as they have throughout human history.

R 
ps- Albert, I agree with you that believing in karma can cause people to ignore the plight of the less fortunate on the basis that they are just getting their "payback" from the sins of a past life. 

But if everyone really followed the golden rule, they would help those people in any event.

Sometimes I think the belief in karma is simply a convenient excuse to be complacent about the plights of others.

Beau wrote on Oct 27^th, 2009 at 9:31am:


The concept of reincarnation is widely accepted among non-Christians, probably because it appeals to many who would like to believe that they would be given a second chance in case they failed to make the grade in this life.

Christianity disputes reincarnation because it is unnecessary, since anybody can "make the grade" simply through an act of their own will through faith in Jesus Christ.

The scientific rebuttal to reincarnation is quite simple. Because of the population explosion, more people are currently living on the earth than have ever lived on the earth for the entire history of humankind. In other words, over half of the people who have ever lived on earth have never died even once! There simply are not enough dead souls to go around for a second time. This does not absolutely eliminate reincarnation, but it does severely restrict its extent, especially for those who have claimed to have lived several times before.

However, some people believe that souls can be reincarnated into or from animals. In that case, it is possible that many people have been frogs or even a microbe before they reincarnated as humans

Hi all: I'm going through Moen's quadrilogy for the second time and in the first book chapter II page 82 he describes his first encounter with the Disk... part of the structure of the Oversoul cluster he could see and interact with... it is germane to this conversation... another great source for oversoul protocols is Lobsang rampa... he has a great theory concerning Joan of Arc as a short in the silver cord filaments caused by entanglement... the warrior spirit that entered JoA was not supposed to be there...