Alan,
I don't agree with most of what you wrote, but you seem to skip pleasantries and just get on with your thoughts, no sugar coating added, and I like that.

I agree that there's a battle between light and dark, polarity friction, but I choose to ying/yang them, which both polarites despise, but that's my way. One example of the polaric game is choosing between a despot or an incarnated god - either you're with us or you are against us. I choose neither. I've tired of their lust for control over me, both light and dark.

Your questions of yes or no I will not answer because I don't comply to demands made by anyone. Not to any demands by entities who set themselves up as gods, nor friends, nor governnments, nor peer pressure, nor group consensus, nor light, nor dark, or anyone who wants a piece of my power (over my life). If anybody isn't happy about having power over their own lives, and want power over others, that's a red flag for me.

I am not an insignificant mortal, as I am not the body, which is indeed mortal. The body will die regardless of jogging and balanced food intake, regardless its wish to be forever young and live forever, regardless of lifeproloning drugs and healing, regardless of the wish to have a spririt animate it just a little bit longer, regardless of futile attempts to clone and thus extend the life.. of the body. When time comes and I go to the astral, I can fend off both polarities. After that I'll go back to my soul and and exit this game.

I question everything that I want to, and that kind of questioning has led me to know that gender is of this world, and not of the beyond, as female and male energies are blended in a soul. That god is a male is another clue to me of the origins of the idea regarding this deity, and that an infinite being would demand worship and a following is another clue to me that this being at best would be immature. And spirits having human experiences being reduced to robots is one of the reasons I don't like deities. I see free free will and deities as mutually exslusive. Conform. Bow. Scrape. Worship. Comply. You have your thoughts regarding this, and I have mine.

If you want to follow the path of jesus, that's fine, for you, and I will not try to change that, as my experience is that a part of getting out of the polaric loop is about releasing control of others.

Recoverer,
"Since it is possible that God might be the first being to get everything going, one might end up quite lonely if one chooses the chest pumping approach."

One of the ways of the polarities to get you to comply is to try to make you (soul) feel small. I'll be allright. And control according to light and love can include guilt laced percieved loneliness. That's not my experience, and I'll stick with that.

The beginning of wisdom is when you finally realize you really don't know much at all.

"Knowledge" is plentiful, but wisdom is scarce.

Recoverer,
"I doubt you came to that understanding yourself. You probably read it from some questionable source. Some of the sources that speak of density levels seem to be questionable. Perhaps you would do yourself a big favor to question them."

Books and interactions with others can be inspirational, but first-hand experience is the key. In my opinion every source should be questionable, not in the sense that questionable means dubious, but for reviewe, by you, for your path. Doing myself a favour is a one-size-fits-all approach. If one size fits all, boards like these wouldn't exist, as matters of the afterlife doesn't compare to the popularity of jumping though the hoops located here. If monroe was to adhere to group consensus, travelling OUT of the body wouldn't be a priority, as matters IN and of the body are all the rage. What I find interesting is the dynamics involved with moving from common group related experiences to experiences of an individual nature. Many different techniques are used  with the purpose of bringing any rebels into line. The first nail to stand out is the first to be hammered down, and humilty is this matter is one where the hammer would be allowed to do what it does.

"If a spiritual approach doesn't inspire a person to have humility towards that which is divine, it is probably bogus. When a person experiences divine love, they clearly understand that humility is a big part of the formula."

I've had experiences that have moved well beyond words like love, where words fail to be descriptive. Some people are filled with humility at the sight of the pope. I'm not. Affection has a quality that I enjoy, but I feel affection for friends not masters.

"Until a person is willing to humble his or herself towards that which exists as a higher level of being, he or she won't be able to experience the divine treasure that is available."

I see that as prostrating. I like the know yourself phrase, because that has opened a door, for me, into seeing the higher level of beings. The body obviously isn't a higher level of being, but the spark animating it is, for me. If you don't like that way, so be it.

"Chest thumping isn't impressive and is quite transparent."

I'm proud of who I am, no matter what you or anyone might label that, and whether you find that impressive or not isn't a concern for me.

all of those who say..."if u think this is heaven...then it IS heaven...need to visit some of the third world countries..where kid's eyes r gouged out n they r "trained" to be beggars...they need to see...a gurl who is raped even before she understands her own anatomy...they need to understand the suffering a person goes through when he sees his/her loved ones body...not in one part...but in pieces...having said this...i dont say this is hell...but i just wonder if free will exists....doesnt the freewill of the ppl who go through brutal treatment exist?...Why shud we single out Hitler...Isnt George Bush equal in the pain that he caused to so many iraqis?...for a third person..hitler wud be the pinnacle of terror n devilish acts...but what about that ONE person who was killed by Ted Bundy?...In my opinion...well honestly...i dont think i have an opinion..coz when i think of such things..my faith in the after life etc shakes...in fact crumbles..

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So much for wisdom...

Hi Don     Deanna is coming back on here soon,shes just had a lot of bad depression lately,shes getting better now,thanks for asking,love juditha and deanna,God bless you.

Hi all of you thanks for all your replys ,so much to think about there.

When i wrote what i did on this post,i felt that i was being guided to write what i did,as i was more or less being told by spirit to write and this is what came out.

I beleve that people like Hitler did not agree to come down here and cause all this suffering as God being a loving God would not have allowed it,i beleive that when a child is born,they are given the freewill,that God has given us all and some children grow up being influenced by violence in there family or being put down as a child,or given a contuious of guilt and being told that everyone is better than them and some children then grow up and reinact what they had as a child.

Hitler grew up to be a monster ,the sort of monster nightmares are all about,he was just pure evil,i remember Doris Stokes a genuine medium saying that Hitler resided on this plain in the spiritworld, which is cold damp and full of those just like him,so i do not beleive that Hitler made a deal in heaven to be who he was because one our loving God would not have allowed it and also why is Hitler resideing on a plain which is the lowest you can get,if it was true that people like him decide before birth that they will do that ,then they would be rewarded in heaven and that is not how it is,him and others like him were given the freewill ,so what hitler did was down to his evil ways and our loving God is not at fault.

I know all about the guilt trip,i grew up with it,i was only seventeen yrs old when my Dad had a massive heart attack,dad was only 39 yrs old when this happened to him, my mother told me it was my fault as i gave him worry because i had not a happy marriage and i cried to my dad a lot, she said i was to blame for my dad's heart attack and i lived with that guilt until the day he died,it got me so bad that when i went to see my mother and my dad i would sit there shaking with fear,thinking all the time,if he had another heart attack it would be my fault.
Now because of this mental torture my mother laid on me ,i cannot bear to hear the sound of a heart beat because it makes me want to pass out,my mother used this against me for years to be able to control me more,my doctor told me it was not my fault and also my priest but part of me still thinks its my fault,thats one of the reasons i go to this day center and see a councillor.

So other human beings can create a living hell for you, im slowly coming out of the hell my mother gave me but it did not cause me to hate the world,i try to give out love to others as i know what its like to suffer,i've had years of it,but i'm still keeping that love in my heart.

Me and Deanna had a message from spirit Sunday,the messge was "Stop getting angry as God is going to start paying his debts".

Love and God bless   love juditha

 

[color=#000000] OutOfBodyDude

You have made your dislike of me painfully evident?

Recoverer

Guys we can all agree to disagree because we are all searching for meaning and truth, and because we are all unique entities we each tend to have our own unique view on that.

And most of us stubbornly stick to what we think is the truth, myself included. But somewhere out there must be the "truth about the truth" and I despair that humanity will never find it and never ever agree if the do. Just when the truth becomes known, some puffed up fool will change it for his/her own gain

Am I sure that I have the real and absolute truth and meaning for our existence, absolutely not??.

Recoverer you said in a previous post in this thread, that god might be the first being; I think God is much more than that.

God is "BEING" an analogy might be a great rose bush which equates to all of existence.

We are all branches, flowers maybe even thorns. But I still see a evil despot like Hitler as a dead branch in the great rose tree that we are all part of

What does a gardener do this dead branches on a rose bush, he prunes them off from the bush and burns them in the fire?

There is really only ONE BEING and its name IS LIFE and we are that LIFE.

Have al look at that beautiful painting in the link below guys , it is realy godlike and glowing

I tried to insert, image copy and past it into your browser if you are interested


http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/53201/mr-universe-different-image.jpg