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juditha
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hell is here now among all of us in this world
Apr 3rd, 2009 at 1:21pm
 
Hi You either make your own hell or some other species of the human race makes it for you,this is hell where we are now living in this crap world of people where some pretend to be nice and some are nice and some are not nice,and that is the truth and nothing but the truth so help us all God.

Everyone of us has a dark side ,only there are those who will not let that darkside come through because they would rather love but there are those who do and spoil it for others on this planet.

I admit you can try and make the world a better place but my priest is right ,you cant try and say to God that you are so so good and forget about your darkside as Jesus died for you and all of us should be true to ourselves.

Even though we dont realise it we are none of us completely true to ourselves because we cant face the fact that deep down inside us there is a darkside  and God knows that.

My priest asked me if i had ever felt like i wanted to hurt someone back for hurting me and i said i had had thoughts like that sometimes but i wouldnt do as its against my nature to do it ,so my priest said none of us should try to paint a pretty picture of ourselves in front of God,because the good and bad makes us human.

Love and God bless   love juditha


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Reply #1 - Apr 3rd, 2009 at 1:32pm
 
The way the world is now turning out Juditha I have to agree with you. This world should be a Joyous experience but instead Mankind has made it in to a Living Hell. You Can't pick a Newspaper up without reading about People being killed, mugged or being Stolen of all their worldly Goods. Young Children/Babies being Brutally murdered, tortured, Battered to death even from their so called Parents.

The poor People in Africa starve every day, surely that MUST be Hell for them.
I would never ever want to come back to the Earth Plane , Once has been enough for me!
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Reply #2 - Apr 4th, 2009 at 1:06pm
 
Hi Juditha,
your post seems to have (to me) rather negative undertones.
If you concentrate on the negative (hell) you'll attract it to you. If you're always looking for the worst, you may miss out on the good and the loving.
Why should you ignore the smiles of a thousand if you're concentrating on the scowls of one?
Mankind has only made things as they are because we have free will -and that's a biggie to a lot of people who don't want the responsibility. They'd rather let some fundamentalist tell them how to live and what to think than work it out for themselves. Anytime you hear someone saying 'I don't know what to think' maybe the answer should be 'well, make your mind up and start thinking now -you've only yourself to be responsible for as you're creating your reality.
Yes, everyone has a dark side -it goes with the ELS. We have choices and we learn from our mistakes (and boy have I made a lot of them!) but if God is really the supreme being and at the centre of everything, he/she will understand. Me, I'll look God in the metaphorical face and say 'Yes, good and bad, I did it all -no excuses or rationalisations'. God knows all about us, as do our total selves and guardian angels. We're here in this school of life to undergo experiences, whether good or bad, and none of us know until we get across to the other side and see the whole picture what its all about and what its all for (unless you get to Focus 27 and meet the gang who are there for you and help you move on.
As for those who go through living hells, I can't comment on what they may have agreed to experience before they came into this life. We all supposedly plan our lives and what we're going to deal with. One life may be of riches, comforts and softness, another life may be as a political prisoner or living through a holocaust or genocide. Over the other side, it will all be like a dream and only then will we be able to see it all in perspective and context of all our past future and parallel lives.
And no, I don't know why I've had to experience some of the stuff I have, but I suppose it all goes to making me who I am in this life and will continue in future lives.
Its' not just the good and bad that makes us human; its all our experiences, hopes and dreams, aspirations, regrets and remorses. We're here to experience, grow and try to become much more than what we originally were. Or, to paraphrase Star Trek: the Motion Picture -learn all that is learnable, and report back to our creator.

Best wishes

David.
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Reply #3 - Apr 5th, 2009 at 2:42pm
 
Who is your priest to tell you what kind of picture to paint?

Let your priest paint his/her own picture.

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My priest asked me if i had ever felt like i wanted to hurt someone back for hurting me and i said i had had thoughts like that sometimes but i wouldnt do as its against my nature to do it ,so my priest said none of us should try to paint a pretty picture of ourselves in front of God,because the good and bad makes us human.

Love and God bless   love juditha



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Reply #4 - Apr 5th, 2009 at 10:32pm
 
Yes, I totally aggree you make your own Hell, but, Juditha, you can also make your own Heaven. Jesus said that Heaven is Here, Now. If you think that this is a world of Hell and condemnation, THINK AGAIN!

Choose differently. Let me suggest you might consider A Course in Miracles, which is the inspiration for this post.

If you think about Hell all the time, what else could show up? What you think on manifests. Jesus said that, too ("As ye think, so shall ye be!")

So, dear friend, think about Heaven. You deserve nothing less, and nothing less is yours. Now.

Thomas
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Reply #5 - Apr 6th, 2009 at 2:18pm
 
Juditha:

I suggest you consider what I wrote about ACIM on Don's (Berserk) Chanelling agendas thread. On two occasions I received messages that the course came from an unfriendly misleading being that doesn't have a human origin.  Helen Schuchman, the lady who received the words, didn't take the time to thoroughly discern where the words came from.  She found it troubling to receive the words and wanted to stop doing so, but her cohert, William Thetford, a CIA mind control specialist, would talk her into doing so whenever she considered not doing so.  The voice she heard would force itself upon her. When she wouldn't take notes, she wasn't able to get any sleep.

Regarding the course's claim that the course comes from Christ, consider what Helen Schuchman told William Thetford when he asked her where the words came from. The voice that spoke to her said:

"The name of Jesus Christ is just a symbol. But it stands for love that is not of this World.  It is a symbol that is safely used as a replacement for the many names of all gods to which you pray...This course has come from him because his words have reached you in a language you can love and understand."

I've had experiences with Christ where he wasn't just a symbol. Many people have had near death experiences and other experiences with Christ where he wasn't just a symbol.  Yet, this is what the course tries to establish. The course is like a wolf in sheep's clothing. It tries to present itself as one thing, when it is something else. People won't question it in a serious manner, because they allow themselves to get fooled by its underhanded attempt to deceive.

Consider what it has to say about the suffering in the World:

"With eyes closed, think of the horrors in the world that cross your mind. Name each one as it occurs to you, and then deny its reality. God did not create it, and so it is not real. Say for example:

God did not create that war, and so it is not real.
God did not create that airplane crash, and so it is not real.
God did not create that disaster [specify], and so it is not real. (Lesson 14, pg. 23)"

Consider the suffering that many people including yourself have gone through. A lot of people have read the course for a number of years. Has the suffering people experience in this World puffed out of existence because people made the above assertions? Of course not. The suffering that takes place in this World isn't going to go away by brainwashing ourselves into believing that it doesn't exist. Suffering will go away only after people acknowledge that it does in fact exist and take steps to change things for the better rather than engage themselves in a game of denial.

Non-dual Advaita Vedanta gurus have played the denial game for years. If a person asked such a guru about the suffering in this World, he would reply it's just an illusion so it doesn't matter. "Yet," many people do suffer and will continue to do so for generations, until people stop counting their chickens before they hatch by making meaningless assertions.

It is interesting to note that William Thetford stated that ACIM is like non-dual teachings such as Advaita Vedanta, only it uses Christian terminology and incorporates modern psychology.  Jesus was not a teacher of Vedanta. I believe that Jesus cared dearly for the World while he was here as a person, and continues to do so as a spirit. He wasn't into counting his chickens before they hatched, nor is he inclined to get people to do so, as ACIM does, when it tries to get people to believe that their isn't a World they need to be concerned about.
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Reply #6 - Apr 6th, 2009 at 3:03pm
 
In this world it is easy to forget who you are. Everyone is so willing to tell you who you are, have you noticed, Juditha? I speak of you because it is easier than speaking of myself.

Many times I have been accused of being a liar before I even understood my own truth. It only confused me to listen to them.

So, what I hear is your priest denying your own good thoughts and good wishes toward yourself. Your own idealism was held up, the very thought that you might act on your beliefs, that you might think of harming another but you would resist doing it....

Is it so wrong to believe in yourself? To believe yourself capable of something great, something noble?

Is it so wrong to think that God might see you this way? That God can see your struggles and might even praise you for them? Only a worthless God would have so little understanding as to blame you for some kind of false pride.

But, that's just my opinion. It's more to do with me than you, really. It's just the way I see it.

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Who is your priest to tell you what kind of picture to paint?

Let your priest paint his/her own picture.

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My priest asked me if i had ever felt like i wanted to hurt someone back for hurting me and i said i had had thoughts like that sometimes but i wouldnt do as its against my nature to do it ,so my priest said none of us should try to paint a pretty picture of ourselves in front of God,because the good and bad makes us human.

Love and God bless   love juditha




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Re: hell is here now among all of us in this world
Reply #7 - Apr 6th, 2009 at 3:33pm
 
Greetings.


I would like to offer my thoughts.

  This world was created by God to be a beautiful place for all beings to live upon. It was never intended to be the hellish world that exists for many of us who are suffering so much. Actually the origin of the word hell just means a hole in the ground.

  When humans wanted the knowledge of good and evil, God refused. Whether or not we were tempted to do so is another issue. Anyway you look at it, we have the knowledge now and it has led to this state of affairs that we find humans existing in. Over the years, those humans who have given into the 5 passions of lust, anger, greed, attachment, and vanity have taken control over the lives of good people who just want to live in peace and harmony with each other. They created their own gods to explain why the people were suffering and in the meantime were scamming them.

  I think that the mission Jesus came for was to teach the humans on this planet who worshipped many gods that their is only one God. I feel that he also wanted to get across the message of God existing within each of us as well as outside of us; that we are more than our physical bodies and will live forever if we just accept God's love.

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Reply #8 - Apr 6th, 2009 at 4:01pm
 
A little more about ACIM.  Is it possible that when a person reads a book, he or she might get connected to the energetic level this book is connected to?

The first time I opened the book while in a book store, the energy in my lower body area became really active. This has never happened before. Intially when I tried to read the course, I would see little demonic images mixed in with the words. For anybody who would suggest my mind was the cause, I had good intentions when I tried to read the course, and I haven't seen demonic images mixed in with the words of other books.

Reading the book would cause me to click out in an unpleasant way. This doesn't happen with other books. Justin found the same. I once provided a link where people from another forum also found the same.

Helen Schuchman had similar experiences.  From Robert Skutch's book "Journey Without Distance - The story behind A Course in Miracles." (pg. 58):

"When Bill asked Helen that morning to read aloud what she had written so he could type it up, she could barely get the words out. Before she was halfway through the first sentence she began a coughing fit that lasted over five minutes. Then she had to keep clearing her throat as it seemed to be contnually filling wiht phlegm. After more than an hour, she had been able to dictate only the first eighteen principles, and Bill had to leave to keep an appointment...Bill was finally able to receive the fifty principles from Helen late that afternoon, after much stuttering, stammering, yawning and coughing on her part....The following morning was a repetition of the previous one. However, through the coughing, the sighing and the "inability to see my notes, Helen did manage to dictate..."

I'm not 100% certain about this, but I believe that I clicked out as I did plus experienced other effects, because my higher self/spirit guidance wanted to prevent me from getting brainwashed by the course. Nevertheless, I was stubborn about it, allowed myself to get brainwashed by it for a while, and through a dream my guidance agreed that I had become brainwashed for a while.

Perhaps it is worthwhile to note that Helen's governess (a Catholic) told her that favors could be obtained from God. Helen had never heard of this, and partly because she viewed God as a big Santa Claus in the sky, she became a Catholic for a while. When she didn't get what she wanted, she became disillusioned, and eventually reached the point where she believed that science had all the answers. She became very anti-religion, and became quite angry when spiritual beliefs came up.

It is hard to believe that Christ would choose a person with this way of being, as a person to dictate a long course that comes from him.  It is possible to see, why such a person might attract the interest of an unfriendly being.  The same is true with William Thetford, if he was in fact employed by the CIA as a mind control expert.

P.S. Juditha, sorry for doing this to your thread, but I believe that the last thing you need is to get involved with ACIM. If you ever consider doing so, I suggest that you pray to God and Christ first, and ask them if the course comes from Christ. If you receive the same answer I received a number of times, you'll be told that it doesn't.  Shall we be humble enough to ask?

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Reply #9 - Apr 6th, 2009 at 8:10pm
 
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I've had experiences with Christ where he wasn't just a symbol. Many people have had near death experiences and other experiences with Christ where he wasn't just a symbol.  Yet, this is what the course tries to establish.


The being Jesus Christ is more than a symbol, this is true.  However, his name is a symbol, as are all names.  And this is exactly what is said.  You seem to have misinterpreted/misunderstood this.  I bring this up because I have noticed that you seem to do this a lot with sources which you do not like.  They say something, and you attempt to skew their message to suit your beliefs.  I am not judging you, just bringing to your attention this tendency of yours which I have noticed.  

I also disagree with you for turning the post in this direction again.  Tgecks made a beautiful, truthful, inspiring reply to juditha, and you turn it into something negative.
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Reply #10 - Apr 6th, 2009 at 8:36pm
 
Dude:

I understand that the quote I provided can be interpreted in different ways. What about the rest of what I wrote? And regarding Jane Roberts Seth lie about Jesus just making a joke when he said to love your neighbor as yourself, perhaps you should reconsider. The fact that you excused that quote shows how quick you are to be apologetic.

I feel okay about posting as I did, because Thomas suggested to Juditha that she reads ACIM.

What if the spirit messages I received are true? What if Helen Schuchman did in fact receive the information she received from a malevolent being?  Would it do Juditha any good to get involved with such tripe?

I have come to the point where I know that I can trust the spirit beings I communicate with. Should I doubt them when it comes to what they said about ACIM?  

Even without the spirit messages I've received about ACIM, I can see how misleading it is.

What if you knew about a source that was misleading and somebody recommended it to another person? Would you just sit by and do nothing?

Sure it might seem somewhat rude for me to post as I did. But what's worse, for a misleading source to have complete freedom to do what it strives to do, or for somebody to do as I do? Sometimes its's important to know how to prioritize.
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Reply #11 - Apr 6th, 2009 at 8:46pm
 
Here's the quote again. My comments are provided in brackets:

"The name of Jesus Christ is just a symbol [Just a symbol?]. But it ["It?" another negation of the reality of Christ]  stands for love that is not of this World.  It is a symbol [another negation of the reality of Christ] that is safely used as a replacement for the many names of all gods [a multiplicity of Gods rather than the one God Jesus spoke about in the gospels] to which you pray...This course has come from him because his words have reached you in a language you can love and understand [It isn't until the source tries to claim that it comes from Christ that it refers to Christ as "him" rather than symbol. Also, certainly there is more of a reason as to why divine instruction would come from Christ. Also, I don't believe that the language matches the language that Christ would use. Also, if the course comes from Christ, why does the source speak of Christ as if he is something separate from that which is speaking? The course does this often.]."




If we want to see through a misleading source's ways, we have to be willing to read between the lines.

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Reply #12 - Apr 7th, 2009 at 1:45am
 
If you wanna be technical, grammatically speaking, the use of it in that paragraph describes the topic of the first sentence, which is "The name."  Why you believe "jesus' name is a symbol" negates his existence is beyond me.  His name is a symbol.  That is what a name is.  And does Jesus' name, and being, not symbolize PUL that is so incredible that it is beyond this world?  But anyway, my point is that Tgecks was trying to convey an important and truthful message to Juditha, and recommending that she investigates the source of the message, for she obviously is lacking the truthful and helpful insight that this source provides, and this source will obviously be of assistance to her, and then you come along and try to refute the source.  It seems a little egocentric and selfish if you ask me.  You have already expressed your opinions of ACIM many times.  I think it would be best to express your opinion once if you think it will be helpful and the let people discern things for themselves.  Not everyone believes what you believe, and not everyone interprets things the way you do.  I'm sorry, but it just seems wrong to me.
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Reply #13 - Apr 7th, 2009 at 4:43am
 
Judithia is not being negative as many of you suppose, she is just being realistic and facing the reality of life and thinking about the less fortunate.

Less fortunate because we turn our eyes away from their suffering and hope they will go away
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Reply #14 - Apr 7th, 2009 at 9:07am
 
So many experiences to choose from, yet conformity is the pinnacle of life on Earth?

Immortal spirit A chooses for one of the incarnations to have experiences that includes suffering.  Incarnation B says sub-A can't do that. Incarnation C says everyone not "helping" (denying the experience) are cold hearted, by telling them they are leaving sub-A behind, because sub-C wants everybody to do what he/she thinks is right, and guilt is the weapon of choice to perform crowd control. Maybe A wants sub-A to learn how not to be a victim. Perhaps sub-A learns that bringing children into the world when not being able to provide for them makes for a hard path, even though welfare programs are in place to reward people for behaving as easter bunnies. Sub-A at least had the funds to get condoms, but refused to take responsibility. Guesswork. Who's to really know what spirit A wants out of the experiences, except for that spirit?

The dark/darkside has as obvious trait: the lust for control over others, no matter what the cost - serve me, nevermind you. Can be found in GOVERNment, religion, friendships, families and so on. Another use for the dark: the power to defend yourself if somebody seeks to control you. Then you're not a victim anymore, a mere energy source, and any residual stuff are then your issues, and not baggage you refuse to return to sender.

If you stand up for your self though, you lose one experience; you don't get to fill your black hole with sympatethic energy from naive incarnations by whining how terrible things are anymore. Maybe generating their own energy isn't worth it for some, but then again, that's their choices and experiences.
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