A couple of years afo, I asked people to try the experiment of leaving their body and go read a word written on a piece of paper and lying on top of a cabinet in the same room (obviously, word written by someone else and unknown to the experimenter).

Nobody has come back to say they wer actually able to do it.

Why is that? Is it because people know for sure they would NOT be able to do so and thus would crush their beliefs/hopes...

I would REALLY love for someone to do this...

Thanks

Sam Parnia is doing work with this idea. He is doing his research with NDEs instead of OBE, but the approach is similar. Most OBEs from what I've learned don't take place in the physical plane so such an exercise would be futile, but there are military experiments on youtube and the like. It's a subjective experience no matter how you look at it. And suppose I told you that I had done your experiment, what then? How would you know whether I had done it and if I was successful? If you are honestly looking for proof it's out there. There are people who make their living proving or disproving things and their work is out there too. Good luck if you are looking for your proof. Parnia's research is far from conclusive, but I think he may be barking up the wrong tree anyway.

Yours,
Beau

Snoopydoo wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2009 at 12:42pm:


So... Can you? 

I figured people would be coming out with the "easy-out" excuse...

If people were "able" to do it, don't you think that someone whould have already came out with this test successfully and proved to the whole world that it can be done?

I'm sure if it "could" be done, there would definitely be someone who would have gone for the million dollar challenge offered by James Randi (who could resist a sure million, right?) and WON IT!

But nobody has which brings me to the conclusion that nobody can... until proven otherwise!

Why are people on this board so afraid to give this test a shot?

I think it's because deep down inside, they know it can't be done and don't want their hopes to be shattered...

So, obviously, I am not able to do any of this and I personnally don't believe any of you can either...

Sorry to be like this today but I'm tired of all these people telling there is an afterlife and that we can really get OOB but nobody is willing to prove it to the world or to prove it to themselves by doing this so EASY test...

Snoop-

Joe McMoneagle is probably the best known and accurate Remote Viewer the military program ever produced. The CIA program Project Stargate, was run by Skip Atwater, the man who is the former Research Director at The Monroe InStitute, and his star pupil Joe is married to "Scooter" Holmes McMoneagle, and she is Bob Monroe's step daughter who was the Director of Monore Institute for 20 years or so when Bob was alive. Joe does this live on TV, has studied and conformed, and has written many books about it.

Joe cannot read numbers or letters out of body. I cannot either, though I have tried. The letters and numbers change, seemingly more the harder one tries to focus on them....

However, you can see pictures, and from this there is a system one can use, which has been successful. I have won the Fantasy Five locally, and Paul Elder ("The Eyes of an Angel" author) won millions in the California lotto. Here is how it works/worked:

A pool of target pics is selected (this is MUCH more conplicated than just picking them out because of the limitations of remote viewing), one target photo for each number. The Remote Viewer RV's himself/herself opeing an e-mail in the future with the pics corresponding to the winning numbers which is sent by the viewer's partner (the one who maintains the target pool). Powerball or Megamillions requires two target pools, one for the special ball, and one for the other numbers. This is a HUGE target pool, and it is difficult to maintain and assemble (trust me, I know).

The viewer then makes sketches of the pics he/she has viewed remotely in this future e-mail and sends them to his/her partner. The partner selects the photos from the target pool which most closely correspond with the sketches, and purchases a ticket with those numbers on it. Then the drawing happens. The partner sends the pictures corresponding to the winners to the viewer, and it is this e-mail which is viwed remotely "in the past". Both the winning number target photos and those the viewer sends (if they are different) are replaced in the target pool. This can be as many as ten target photos in a five number lottery, more with Powerball and Mega-Millions.

However, Paul got six out of six and won millions for himself and his partner and group. I won several thousands. Maintaining and changing the target pool is very time consuming. You cannot have a dog and a bear and a cow in the same pool, because remotely they all are 4 legged animals and look the same "out there" to a viewer. Same with vehicles, people and such. It is a difficult task.

Many people would say the vibration of your "Get Rich" scheme prevents it's manifestation. I do not. But then, I do not think you actually wanted to win or actually know this question has an answer, but rather to be right, and to prove to yourself that this is a bunch of crap. Believe me, it is not. I have no need to prove it to your satisfaction, but you do. Well, then, do it. I have had more confirmation in this work than even a left brain like me needs, and I say it is your fear that is holding you back. You are afraid that all of this is so. FEAR NOT! But it is so...

Love and Light, and good luck with Mega-Millions!

Thomas

Snoop,

I think you are assuming that physical senses and nonphysical senses are much the same.  In my experience they are quite different.      Nonphysical senses operate over a wide range of experience and do better with connections to things that have feelings.  Words or numbers written on paper won't provide much stimulation of nonphysical senses.  It would be easier for example to sense the kind of personality the person whose photograph youj might use instead of paper with words or numbers.  Better yet at sensing the "personality vibes" of the person whose piece of jewlery you put in that spot.

And in my opinion you would have to account for the Interpreter Overlay from each person who attempts to give you the information.

Bruce

I'm probably repeating some of what was said, but first of all, when you see something such as letters physically, photons of light reflect off of the letters seen and strike the retina of your eyes. When you're non-physical you don't have a pair of eyes so this visual process can't take place.

Physical reality makes use of building blocks known as atoms, and the subatomic particles of which they are composed. Since our organs of perception and nervous systems are made of the same building blocks, we are able to interface with other physical items quite well.  When we try to interface with physical objects non-physically, we don't have the same means of doing so.

Atom based building blocks aren't required in order for an experience to seem real. I've had non-physical experiences that seemed just as real and as clear as physical experiences. In fact, I've had non-physical experiences that seemed even more real and clear than physical experience.

I've been able to verify things I've seen non-physically, but never words.

I have received spirit messages that came in written form and was able to verify what I read later on. Of course, this isn't what snoopydo is asking about.

Perhaps it is just as unrealistic for a skeptic to expect people to prove non-physical reality by how they interact with physical reality, as it would be to expect a person to prove that electricity exists by using a means of testing that doesn't include electricity.   

Isn't it unfair to win something such as a lotto by using something such as remote viewing? Why should everybody else invest their money if somebody else is going to use their psychic ability to cheat? When a person does so, they take money away from other people. Perhaps nothing you see is real, except for when it comes to lotto numbers.